• IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!! This concerns the future of this site.

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    Posted 07/14/2025
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    Putting this at the top so it will more likely be read rather than skipped over.

    If you read below, you will see that I disabled the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025 in the hopes that I could get you all to donate AT LEAST $25 per day to make up the shortfall such an action would entail to financially support this site. I just got finished checking the stats through PayPal of the previous 6 months, and I plainly see that this did not happen. Yes, some people donated more that the bottom level Contributor Membership, but equally plain is that most people don't give a crap as long as they get a place to advertise their animals and merchandise for free. Well excuse me. I asked for help and apparently that fell on a lot of deaf and uncaring ears. Do you feel it unfair of me to want to make some money from this site, just as YOU are apparently wishing to do? I sure do hope that concept doesn't shock and offend you. But it is what it is. As such I will be reinstating that Google Adsense Ads as soon as I get around to it .

    Burdensome are they? Well, I don't like them either, but I gave you the opportunity to show me they weren't needed to keep this site financially solvent. You blew it. Don't like the ads and want to go elsewhere? Sorry about that. Bye bye. Good luck to you. You left me no choice if this site is going to remain alive. It is either that or I just pull the plug on this site and you all will HAVE to go elsewhere. Yes, I know some people will be overjoyed by such a move, and personally I really don't care about that. I have done my part as best I can. I really don't need to be doing this AT ALL.

    And please, don't come to me asking me to donate this site to you. Screw that. I didn't go through all the headaches running this site for decades to just GIVE it to someone. I would just as soon see it become just a footnote in the history books.

    Do I sound angry? Sorry if I come across this way. In reality, I am just VERY disappointed in the whole herp industry in how they treated this site. Snubbed it, really. Oh well. I guess it was my fault for expecting (hoping?) for more out of people.

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    Posted 12/19/2024.
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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big of a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
  • Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Pet store robbery and Daytona show

Hey how come my answers aren't answered?And jayme I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD keep reading this......Anyway how is the show going?
 
As one of "the dozen or so" I can only say this.  Dave has proven himself a liar.  That, however, has only proven Dave's character; it says nothing about Neil's.  Neil has proven his own character several times during the "thread of doom," and elsewhere.  Those who choose to ignore Neil's character in favor of looking only at his husbandry practices and his friendly demeanor will do as they see fit.  I wish you all well in your "close encounters of the Neil kind."

However, I would just like to remind you all that Neil started the "thread of doom" being the friend of nearly every one of us that are counted in "the dozen or so," and it was only when we asked him several straightforward questions (which he never answered, I might add) that he then turned on us and brought his attorney online to try and dissuade us from asking him further questions.  Neil can ask all kinds of questions of Dave and anyone else, but let just a few honest people ask Neil some questions and OH BOY . . .the fight is ON!

Do what you want; believe what you want.  Neil knows what he said to me in emails (I still have them all) about several things and several people.  The progression from a "friend in Tampa" to a cursing attacker is evident.  

Dave may be the most guilty person on the face of the earth.  He may even have been on the grassy knoll!  Even so, none of that is going to change one thing about Neil.  I know it; a few others know it; and whether Neil wants to admit it or not, he knows it too.

I really do hope the robberies end there in Tampa.  I hope the criminal(s) is/are caught.  I hope the prosecution is flawless.  Neil, to say that because we would like for you to sit this one out for a while and let the focus be on Dave's guilt or innocence rather than on the continuation of the neverending whine-fest between you two, we therefore are in favor of the robberies in Tampa is idiotic.  It is self-aggrandizing tripe that only someone self-important to the Nth degree would have the gall to post in public.  You ought to be ashamed.  You ought to appologize.  I'm expecting neither to be apparent or forthcoming.
 
No one is forcing any of you to read the "thread of Doom", or go to "close encounters of a Neil kind".  Everyone here can choose to read what you want. I beleive the purpose of the BOI is to show the good and bad people in this business.  I think this thread shows that there is some bad things going on in Tampa, and someone not to do business with.

I am just stating that Neil is a good sorce for quallity animals, and a good person to do business with. Thats all!

If you do not like to read all the other stuff... Then don`t read it!!!

I agree that some of the bikering is not what the BOI is about, but what do you expect Rich (webslave) to do??

Its time to just post GOOD, and BAD experienses with one an other.

That is what most people come here to find out. But most get caught up in these soap operas.

Rick Steward/Ricks Reptiles
 
I am very glad that some of Neils business dealings were satisfactory. I, on the other hand had one that was not so great and when I voiced my unhappiness, I was verbally attacked and insulted. Everytime Neil does anything positive, he posts it here for all to see, his attacks are usually thru private message and e-mails. To show a person has good character, it should also include the things they do "just because", not just for the PR. I have recieved several e-mails from Neil regarding my posts, most were attacks on me, but some were not, some were enlightening. Neil may be an O.K. guy with nice animals, but everyone makes mistakes. It is how those mistakes are handled, that is important. Everyone can handle the "good deals" it is more difficult to resolve the bad ones.
I would also like to say, that I do not think Neil has anything to do with the robberies, but if he wants to help solve them, he should NOT be posting the pertinent information on a public forum. Makes NO sense!
 
Casey...You know very well that I handled "our" problem as best I could at every turn....you say you have ALL our emails from "our" deal??? POST THEM!! Show everybody what a fool you are! You KNOW the injury to it's foot was caused by the shipping....you KNOW I asked you to take it to the Vet countless times (WITH an offer to help pay for it)...you KNOW you sent me a "movie" showing the poor kid jumping off your hand onto the tiled floor!....you KNOW it took you 2 WEEKS to get it to the Vet...you KNOW that even after ALL THAT....I STILL sent you $100 to try and make it right! So, tell me....what did I do wrong? Just post our emails from start to finish....go ahead...I DARE YOU! Let's see who looks like a fool, after you do!....Neil

AGAIN....this thread is NOT about ME! You want to start a new "bad guy" thread about me? Go for it! But, THIS thread is about trying to find out who is burglarizing the stores of Tampa! ....Neil
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But, THIS thread is about trying to find out who is burglarizing the stores of Tampa!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Sorry  I may be mistaken...but the last time I checked...
This thread was really a bitch session of Dave's because he did not like what someone had to say to the media.

This thread was never about TRYING to find out who is burglarizing the stores of Tampa...

Welp at least not until you all started pointing fingers at each other.

Like sands through the hour glass...so are the days of our lives.  I just hate soap operas.....

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING CONCRETE BESIDES THIS WHINY HE SAID SHE SAID STUFF?
 
Folks,

To blame the Daytona show on Pegs aminamls being stolen is akin to blameing the local swapmeet for your  T.V., V.C.R., and Jewlery box being taken in a home invasion robbery.

True, it COULD offer them an outlet, at any given show there are always TONS of fly-by-night brokers, heck even on kingsnake.coms class ads, all you see is BROKERS.

The reason that I make this distinction is just this:
No self resepcting breeder is EVER going to steal snakes from another breeder or shop, their reputations are to valuable.
BROKERS on the other hand are in the business of TURNING over animals at a very rapid rate. Even a lot of brokers would shy away from this one though, because it has a lingering odor(Felonious smell?)

No..the person that did this was :


a)  SHORT TIMER-someone that hasnt been around long and has no intention of being around long, out to make a quick buck.

b) A relative amateur-Or they would have went for a breeder whose animals quality and value EXCEED Pegs.


Is the Daytona show responsible?

No way.

Chances of her Id-ing her snakes at a show with several HUNDRED vendors in it(Actually much more than that)
admist THOUSANDS of paying customers: 0

Chances of the person that did this getting busted in the future after makeing a mistake or selling to the wrong person:

                        75%



Houseing guard dogs in the store might deter a would be thief. MY pitt bulls SLEEP in my snake room, as well as in front of the doors to bedrooms. God help you if you come sniffing around my house for free snakes


                               Fred Albury
                                 (Aztec Reptiles)
 
Neil.  What movie? I hope you are confused, you have me mixed up with someone else, I sent you nothing. And I never told you she jumped off my hand. I told you it "might" have hapened in shipping, because I did not want to call you a liar. You did not take care of the situation. We recieved an  adult beardie, in a CLOTH bag, with one of its rear feet almost severed. I emailed you immediately and told you of the problem. You seemed like the nicest guy, full of promises to "make it right", "Do what ever you had to do" We e-mailed you every day and asked what you suggested. We asked you if we could return her, you told us not to send her back, because you knew "we could provide her with the best care" you gave me your recipe for cricket soup to force feed her. You told me, after we had been force feeding her for several days, that you would contribute $50.00 towards the vet bill. Our reptile vet charges $35.00 to look at your pet. We tried erythromycin topically and soaked her foot in betadine, and after about a week we took her to the vet and got Baytril and the foot was removed, but unfortunately she was too weak to survive. When we   then asked for a refund, and told you we were VERY UNHAPPY, you got VERY MAD and insulted me and my wife, called us several unflattering names and told us you would give us a partial refund of $100 and that we better take it, before you change your mind. I did not know about this forum at that time, and as I stated in a different thread(which I can find if I have to) I did not save any of the e-mails. It happened over 1 year ago and at the time I thought I had no recourse.

If you think you took care of the situation as "best you could" then I certainly can't argue with you about that, but I think you handled it very poorly. You try to intimidate people with insults and threats.

I can not guess how a leg could become that damaged in a shipping bag. Her leg was cut/smashed right to the bone at her ankle. You called us novices, in and in a way you were right, as this was one of our first adult bearded dragon purchases, which is why we followed your advice to the letter.
 
Casey....I'm sorry you feel that way, but...if you recall...I NEVER ignored you...I always answered your emails....I answered every question you had, multiple times, and to the best that I could....when you first told me about it...the leg was just swollen! THAT's when you should have taken it to the Vet...but, no ...you thought YOU could do better, even though you NEVER worked with Beardies before! So I TRIED to help you out with that, too....it wasn't until I told you I would "split" the cost of another animal with you, figuring you could pick one up for about $200-$250, that you came back to me with some ridiculous number ($400+?), that I started getting very mad! And, yes! When I get mad...I write mad! What ever happened to the other one? Is it still alive?
I didn't think you'd post the emails....you KNOW I'm right! You can say anything else you want....I WILL NOT respond to you again about this topic! I did the right thing....and I'm STICKING to that! ....Neil
 
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The first part is right, the last part is wrong. I told you her leg was badly cut and swollen.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it wasn't until I told you I would "split" the cost of another animal with you, figuring you could pick one up for about $200-$250, that you came back to me with some ridiculous number ($400+?), that I started getting very mad! </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I have a very good memory, and I did not discuss any of this with you. You must have me confused with someone else.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What ever happened to the other one? Is it still alive? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

As I stated previously, that one died from treatments for coccidia.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I didn't think you'd post the emails.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

As I said months ago, I do not have the e-mails. I can find that post if I need to, it is buried in 108 pages of junk.

It is nice that you are not quite so insulting. You will find that most people respond in a similar fashion.

Casey Hulse
 
Yes it would be nice to know if any of the stolen animals showed up there?

That it why this thread was started in the first place!

Rick Steward/ Ricks Reptiles
 
Not to change the subject but if you can get a hold of some albon,flagyl,baytril,ivomectin....it is really a good idea to use all that stuff as soon as you get a new reptile in.We always put our new ones in isolation then we soak them and give them the treatments.then all you possible problems are solved.Those are tricks that I learned when I was in Tech school.This was probably not the right place to write all this but I was reading the other comments and I thought I would try to help ya...The animals do soooo much better that way and....you don't have to worry about a bad rep and being on here...hahah...
                          LILL
 
We really have given up on finding them so when we went to the show that was really the last thing on our mind.. PEG
 
Like I said before I never blamed the Daytona Show I just said that the show was coming up and it could be a possible place for some one to get rid of as many reptiles that has been stolen in this area. This answer was in responce to the question wasn't it the same time last year when you got robbed not just me other places also. YES!!! Anyone that has had there store broke into in the last few weeks also thought that.    Peg
       Pegi Gilley
       Peg's Exotic Pets

Last and finally post for me Thanks for all that supported me.
 
Well... since this really is "Peg's thread"... and she's decided she's had enough... that's good enough for me, so, I'm also out of this thread.... have fun, folks.... Neil
 
Well I just rolled in from Daytona,Spent the day on the beach with several of the venders.As always it was a good show,I was not a vender but a guest of one but I spent some bucks on some great herps.Anyway to the point of this post, I was there all day everyday and I did not see Neil (or hear the bells that he would have on). However, Mike the person that owns the 1.1 albino boas was there and I did introduce him to some people (he was the 6'-5" man that was with me Saturday and most of Sunday). I was told something Saturday by a lady her quote was "The Fauna Classifieds forum is no longer a tool that people use to help themselves but a weapon that people use to hurt others". I want everyone that reads this to think of that quote each time before you post,I know I will.

I think that it was Ray and / or Jenny that posted "I should have eyes in the back of my head so I could see the faces people make as I walk away", That may or may not be true but I wonder, If people (breeders, venders, wholesellers and others people in this biz) Dis-like me so much, Why Did I get a free room at the Adams Mark? Why did venders give me super prices on herps? Why was I taken to dinner? I would like to know these answers. I am done with this mess.
 
If you are really done with this mess.
Why did you not just write that and that alone

Peg and Neil are leaving this thread.....
And as usual you saw fit to start trouble.
This whole thing was started by you.
This is (I thought) a place for good guy bad guy posts and for inquiries.  Instead you posted this peddly crap.  What is so bad about peg talking to the media about what she had on her mind?  you supposedly did the same thing everyone was saying good bye and you just had to post to convince yourself that people like you.....Sheesh at least I am not that bad...I do not have to convince myself that people like me...I know they don't.

Dave you are pitiful .........GOODBYE

p.s.  you kept complaining about people breaking the rules.
you kept begging the webslave to ban Neil.  didn't you break the rules by posting this thread in the wrong forum?  It belonged in the general discussions
 
WOW

i cant believe this just ended like this lol. what happended??? did they ever catch who did it? was dave involved in any way? IS neil really a bad guy as well. man, i just found this site because im looking to add a ball python to my collection, and found this section. i just sat here reading all 49 pages of this. you guys(and gals) probably wont believe this but ive been reading this section of the forum since tues nite. i started around 11p and wound up sitting here all nite and day til 530 yesterday before going to sleep, at which point i had been up 29 hours lol. i then got up again around midnite last nite, and have once again been sitting here all day except for running to the bank and a couple hours of the US open this morning (yes i work a very odd schedule). im brand new to the herp community as you may be able to tell, but was reading alot about those scumbags sal and allison, and justyn, but it seems in each bad guy thread there is another name posted of someone who is just as bad or even worse and i end up googling them. i think i have about 3 other threads im all in the middle of reading opened up on my computer still lol, but this one i just couldnt "put down". been reading start to finish. unbelievable stuff. i never had a clue this community (not forum) was anything like this. now i think i understand why the breeder i got my snakes from wasnt to keen on my coming and picking up the snakes i bought from him when i thought he lived near me, and uses a po box. anyway, ill not let that deter me. it seems like there are far more good guys then bad guys, and hopefully w/ the help of this forum you will be able to provide this VERY valuble service to buyers everywhere. thanks webslave.

anyway, if someone could direct me to hopefully the conclusion of this damn thing i would really REALLY appriciate it.
 
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