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[j_h_smith]

My concern is that, while I do believe that you did take the animal to the vet is, when the animal got sick. Was it in the week that you were unable to pick up the snake or was it before? Did your friend look in on your snake during this week and notice anything peculiar about its well-being. This is what I would like for him to comment on.

I also understand that he didnt like his name mentioned here either, as I wouldnt have. I just want to know if he saw anything wrong in the weeks time that he was in posession with your snake. Also, if you trust him with your life, is it also safe to assume that he didnt receive this animal as sick as it was and it just got worse with time?

I'm sure the snake wasn't as sick when Rick received it as it was when I got it home. But the fact remains, the seller agreed to refund me 50% of the sales price. He then disappears. He doesn't return my calls, changes his email address without telling anyone. What was I supposed to do?

I really don't care if I PROVE my case here or not. Paul posted on here that he would pay me the money due to me. He still won't commit to when, but I guess that's my problem. Now everyone seems to want to jump on the bandwagon and tell me I need to do this and that and other things to PROVE my case. Well Paul proved my case when he stated right here that he was going to pay me but he didn't have the money.

I will never post another message here knowing what I know now. I have never seen so many people wanting to argue for the sake of arguing.

Paul sold me a sick snake, he agreed to pay me, I haven't seen the money. Case closed.

Jim smith

 

[brd7666]

Brian, I am sure you would agree though that Baytril is used in different doses for different sized animals. What if the Baytril dosage was too large for a 1200gr python and could essentially kill the snake? Or, too small to be effective so its a needless waste?

I am sure the comment that "it doesnt matter" who, where, what, and why he was so easily able to provide the Baytril would offend some of the vets out there that went to school to prescribe this stuff. If its not OTC, then it is dispensing meds without a license even though most of us know how to use it what its used for.

I am not going to get into an argument with you over this, so, you are correct in your statement about the weight determining the dosage. If too much was given then yes, it could kill the snake. I never saw where the weight to dosage formula was posted, so we don't know if proper dosage was given. If an improper dosage was given then that is the seller's fault, he is the one injecting the medication, and he is the only one who can be held accountable for that decision.

Baytril is a mild antibotic, not a narcotic, so a vet will be more likely to prescribe it more freely. As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, I knew a vet who sold it at reptile shows, and he never got in any trouble. I will not say his name because he is still a practicing vet, in another state. He is a very good reptile vet with an outstanding reputation.

 

[brd7666]

I am not going to get into an argument with you over this, so, you are correct in your statement about the weight determining the dosage. If too much was given then yes, it could kill the snake. I never saw where the weight to dosage formula was posted, so we don't know if proper dosage was given. If an improper dosage was given then that is the buyers fault, he is the one injecting the medication, and he is the only one who can be held accountable for that decision.

Baytril is a mild antibotic, not a narcotic, so a vet will be more likely to prescribe it more freely. As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, I knew a vet who sold it at reptile shows, and he never got in any trouble. I will not say his name because he is still a practicing vet, in another state. He is a very good reptile vet with an outstanding reputation.

That should say buyers fault for the dosage, sorry

 

[JordanAng420]

Sigh...

There's so much I have so say about this Baytril debate, but at the risk of taking things off topic I think I will refrain from my comments.

Anyway, I hope both parties can come to a positive conclusion.

 

[Shadera]

If you haven't been in this business long, you really shouldn't be commenting on the baytril. I see nothing wrong with anything that has to do with it.

So sorry, I was under the impression that it's always been illegal to dispense prescription medications without a license. No matter what's done by the old timers behind the scenes. The animal was not seen by a vet before the meds were given, and if you can't see where that's just wrong I've gotta question your ethics. Sick animal = vet visit. Period. Not lemme call around to the zoos to see if I can get my hands on something to send to you.

I may not have been in this business long, but I was a licensed vet tech for a while. This isn't my first rodeo.

For me, it hinges on this. That if he's willing to give out meds he has no business giving out, then who's to say he's not gonna send out a sick snake. I do agree that vet reports need to be posted. He likely came home with a bill for services, but not everyone gets a report when they leave the office. Rick's words would help as well.

 

[David Reid]

The only thing that strikes me as odd about this transaction is the fact that it seems the seller sent the medication so quickly. It is hard to diagnose a sick snake over the phone, yet he sent the medication almost without batting an eye. It looks like the seller might have known the snake was sick, and almost expecting that call.

Was the snake sick when it was sold, was the snake paid for when Rick picked it up?

 

[brd7666]

I'm sure the snake wasn't as sick when Rick received it as it was when I got it home. But the fact remains, the seller agreed to refund me 50% of the sales price. He then disappears. He doesn't return my calls, changes his email address without telling anyone. What was I supposed to do?

I really don't care if I PROVE my case here or not. Paul posted on here that he would pay me the money due to me. He still won't commit to when, but I guess that's my problem. Now everyone seems to want to jump on the bandwagon and tell me I need to do this and that and other things to PROVE my case. Well Paul proved my case when he stated right here that he was going to pay me but he didn't have the money.

I will never post another message here knowing what I know now. I have never seen so many people wanting to argue for the sake of arguing.

Paul sold me a sick snake, he agreed to pay me, I haven't seen the money. Case closed.

Jim smith

I thought he said he would refund half the purchase price when he sold some snakes. I am not going to go back and see what snakes they were. So give him the chance to do as he said. If he sells those snakes and then he doesn't give you some money, then you have a reason to complain. Time will tell.

 

[brd7666]

So sorry, I was under the impression that it's always been illegal to dispense prescription medications without a license. No matter what's done by the old timers behind the scenes. The animal was not seen by a vet before the meds were given, and if you can't see where that's just wrong I've gotta question your ethics. Sick animal = vet visit. Period. Not lemme call around to the zoos to see if I can get my hands on something to send to you.

I may not have been in this business long, but I was a licensed vet tech for a while. This isn't my first rodeo.

For me, it hinges on this. That if he's willing to give out meds he has no business giving out, then who's to say he's not gonna send out a sick snake. I do agree that vet reports need to be posted. He likely came home with a bill for services, but not everyone gets a report when they leave the office. Rick's words would help as well.

It has nothing to do with my ethics, it's called experience.

The baytril did come from a licensed person.

Everyone needs to understand, baytril is not a hard core antibiotic. It is mild compared to some of the others out there. Vets are more likely to prescribe it especially if they know you. There is nothing wrong with what has happened regarding the baytril.

The only thing that strikes me as odd about this transaction is the fact that it seems the seller sent the medication so quickly. It is hard to diagnose a sick snake over the phone, yet he sent the medication almost without batting an eye. It looks like the seller might have known the snake was sick, and almost expecting that call.

Was the snake sick when it was sold, was the snake paid for when Rick picked it up?

It was quick, but we don't know what kind of a relationship he has with his vet. Most vets would have given baytril given the circumstances as their first choice.

 

[Iraqvet]

It has nothing to do with my ethics, it's called experience.

The baytril did come from a licensed person.

Everyone needs to understand, baytril is not a hard core antibiotic. It is mild compared to some of the others out there. Vets are more likely to prescribe it especially if they know you. There is nothing wrong with what has happened regarding the baytril.



It was quick, but we don't know what kind of a relationship he has with his vet. Most vets would have given baytril given the circumstances as their first choice.

Well their is somthing wrong..If the seller got it perscribed,then that is fine..The problem is he then passed it on to the buyer...I am pretty sure thats not legal...

 

[DAND]

I think this is something that should be answered.

Paul, just a quick question for ya. Why do you have your name listed as Paul Moldovan on Fauna, but your Baytril package came from a Paul Botte? Are we using aliases?

Still have the bottle?

 

[Shadera]

As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, I knew a vet who sold it at reptile shows, and he never got in any trouble. I will not say his name because he is still a practicing vet, in another state. He is a very good reptile vet with an outstanding reputation.

If it's such a freely dispensed medication and no big deal, why not mention the name of the vet you say was seen selling it at shows? Oh yeah, because it's against the law for him to be doing that. It's very much about ethics.

We don't know that it was prescribed by a licensed person, or what it was prescribed for.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Jim, I think we all can agree that if the Seller said he would give the you a partial/refund then he needs to uphold his word. He has not refused to do this, per his statement:

i told jim when i sell the retics i have posted i will refund his cash. so far i still have them.

The issue I am seeing on which the Seller's reputation hinges is this...from your story, it appears that the seller is selling sick snakes KNOWINGLY..so of course I want to know: Is Paul selling sick snakes knowingly? Your assistance is invaluable.

However, Paul apparently disagrees that the animal was sick, and apparently their mutual friend supports that statement per Paul:

the so called mutual friend also said there was nothing wrong with that snake. we are also friends and he buys snakes from me and i do the same

Jim, you stated about that "so-called friend":

Rick said the snake was like this when he looked at it last Sunday. This snake is really sick.

When did he tell you this, right after getting the snake or a week later? You stated you saw open mouthed breathing two days later? Who is responsible for the sick snake? Your friend, or Paul?

In my opinion, we are not discussing whether or not Paul should keep his word, that goes without saying.


*I am not touching the drug issue..but I can say that Dr. Boyd isn't all that great as an exotic Vet, IMO.

 

[j_h_smith]

I think this is something that should be answered.



Still have the bottle?

No, he didn't send the baytril bottle. He sent 7 syringes with the dosage ready to be injected.

Jim Smith

 

[cornman]

You did say that you had a package for the baytril with his name on it.

 

[Southern Wolf]

im not posting anymore about this so you guys/gals have fund talking Shi*. Jim you will get your cash when i sell that snakes. Good Day

Thanks for makin my "do not deal with and avoid at all costs" list

This speaks volumes. And if its a phone call away, your no better then a drug dealer.

makes you wonder what kind of service you may recieve if you too have a problem. No thanks.... I dont want someone that is going to run away from problems... I want to deal with someone that wants to solve the problems.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

No, he didn't send the baytril bottle. He sent 7 syringes with the dosage ready to be injected.

Jim Smith

Wow talk about blind faith!

Do you know the milligrams and cc amount? That alone could be complelty ineffective or kill the snake.

I've tried to stay out of this, however meds being distributed with out the known amount is just inexcusable behavior for both the seller and the buyer.

Can't wait to see those vet reports.

 

[Southern Wolf]

i didnt pay for it. it was a gift and im not going to refuse a gift. if someone offers to buy me a snake then hell yea i will take it.


low class cause i dont have any cash? im tring to get his cash. i have alot of snakes posted for sale. cant help it if no one wants to buy. tons of trade offers but need the cash to make jim happy.


i guess pete martinez is really low class cause he owed me cash for a snake for a year now and will not pay up. he post snakes for sale and he buys them on fauna but still wont pay up. some one even offered to give me there snake and pete pays shipping but he coulcnt even do that.


all im saying is jim is lieing alot and does not try to contact me at all. hell if he wanted some snakes to make up for that cash thats fine but he dont even ask.

now im done so Bash Away!!!

First rule of business... don't spend money you dont have yet. IE..... you dont spend payment for an animal until your customer is happy with that animal. Then you wont have to worry about being broke and cant refund your customers money.

 

[brd7666]

Paul, just a quick question for ya. Why do you have your name listed as Paul Moldovan on Fauna, but your Baytril package came from a Paul Botte? Are we using aliases?

As for Rick telling you anything about me, I doubt anything you say here will be true. He may be your rodent supplier, but he's my friend. He will be getting a call from me today. I think you may have to find yourself another rodent supplier.

Jim Smith

You did say that you had a package for the baytril with his name on it.

No, he didn't send the baytril bottle. He sent 7 syringes with the dosage ready to be injected.
Jim Smith

I put these three quotes up because they askthe questions and answer them. Except for one.

Paul, why do you have two different names?
Are you hiding something?
What is your real name?

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

Umm.. But excuse me Why in the WORLD would you inject somthing into a snake and not be sure of the contents of the syringe??? Exspecially not knowing the milligrams or cc amount thats just Pure shear stupidity IMO for all we know without vet reports is that you MAYBE injected the snake with too much and that caused the death ( I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE) But it could be..... I also would like to know the whole name thing As well If that goes unanswered COULDN'T it lead to banning Why would you want that? If I'm wrong please correct me.

Do you have a picture of the package that the Meds came in to prove it has a diffrent nae on it? Lets see that Pic PLEASE.....

 

[Southern Wolf]

Rick doesn't do anything online. He's big (and fairly well known) in the Mid-Atlantic show circuit. I highly, highly doubt anyone is going to get him on here to get mixed up in this drama.

Steph... do you know Rick? Is he as good as the OP and seller state he is? Would he be able to tell an RI if he saw it?