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Dragondad said:
Dr Owens this is the third time you followed Dand and warned Wes for the same post with a no comment. One time you followed Laura doing the same thing. Sorry I know what Assume means, but when I click on the view post and it takes me to the same place Dand referenced what would you think?
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To answer your question, when I see a violation of the rules I give a warning. I don't look to see who I might have "followed." Each person makes their own decision as to what they're going to give warnings for, or what they're going to let slide. I don't make my decisions based on who might have warned the same post (or not).

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to call it a day. It's been too long already...
 
Webslave said:
So let me get this straight, Wes. You are saying that you feel that YOU can choose whether or not a legitimate name (that might very well even be on your birth certificate) you are being called by someone (again of your choosing who may have YOUR PERMISSION) should be considered as a warnable offense on this site? Simply because YOU don't like being called that name (even though there are others that you PERMIT calling you that name), YOU feel you have the right to insist that someone calling you by that name MUST get a warning point from the moderators here?
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Rich, Wes's point is that it is meant to be antagonizing. He's made that clear. It may not, in the opinion of the mods, cross the line to "warnable" but give the devil his (her) due, it clearly seems meant to antagonize.

If dand can warn for "brucie", and clearly he did, then he can apply the rules relatively "equitably". The argument that he hasn't seen it would be fallacious as it is in the same thread a post or two away if not outright quoted. It seems clear that dand is gunning for Wes; no doubt to me he is checking all of his posts. I'm not arguing that Wes has or has not deserved any of the points he has been issued, but there also is no question that some of them have been "found" because dand has a personal vendetta.

If that's OK with you, and that's how you want your site moderated, that's cool. I understand the police staking out "known offenders" analogy, but when an officer has a personal vendetta with a suspect legitimate charges can be thrown out if the slightest "t" is not crossed properly. That's what it is here, a personal vendetta being played out. Pretty sad honestly for all three of them.
 
Whoa, I was trying to add a little levity, and possibly some perspective to this thread, I would have saved it for another day if I knew what Dr. Owens was about to type.
 
Brevity is fine. In his occupation it happens. If he's not fit to be on as a mod then he shouldn't be on as a mod.

I've got all the sympathy in the world for the family of the kid, I've got kids of my own. But he's a doc, sometimes you loose one and feeling bad is part of the game if you're good at it at all. Bringing that here and taking it out on members really isn't cool and he really, when you come right down to it, should know not to.
 
Yo ! DragonDad,
Dr Owens this is the third time you followed Dand and warned Wes for the same post with a no comment. One time you followed Laura doing the same thing. Sorry I know what Assume means, but when I click on the view post and it takes me to the same place Dand referenced what would you think?
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Might I recommend a powder ? Or how about I commit to PayPal'ing Wes about 25 cents to cover all the times that you think he may have been dinged in haste according to you !! That would be once he makes it to 500 in 2008, BTW, and actually has to pay a fine. Egregious infractions get dinged by 5-10 enforcers. Lesser ones by one or two of the empowered ones !! Wes knows he's toeing the line !! Is not the explanation that only a "privileged few call me Wesley" about as silly as it gets as an excuse here ... :rofl:

Criminy, I count my blessings at the number of folks alive who still call me "Jimmy" in correspondence. Its a group of folks who were alive when I was born. I will rue the day when the last so-moved has finally died !

Doc, you need to ding yourself. You were overly abusive in calling yourself an "asshole". :rolleyes: We might have let "Butthead" slide on by. Seriously, thanks for all you do beyond here, from the depths of all of our hearts.

Jimmy, Jimbo, James, "Oh, James" (007 lingo), BaJimBa (African name) ....
 
Wilomn said:
Brevity is fine. In his occupation it happens. If he's not fit to be on as a mod then he shouldn't be on as a mod.

I've got all the sympathy in the world for the family of the kid, I've got kids of my own. But he's a doc, sometimes you loose one and feeling bad is part of the game if you're good at it at all. Bringing that here and taking it out on members really isn't cool and he really, when you come right down to it, should know not to.
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Well, you're right. The two have nothing to do with each other.

But if you had ever walked in those shoes, you might choose to let it slide.
 
jsrocket said:
Well, you're right. The two have nothing to do with each other.

But if you had ever walked in those shoes, you might choose to let it slide.
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Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

You have no clue what my life has or has not had happen in it nor when.

Perhaps you should ASSume less.

The truth, even when painful, is still the truth.
 
Fair enough. All of those are true statements. Wes, I am not stupid enough to engage in a pissing match here.
 
Wilomn said:
Brevity is fine. In his occupation it happens. If he's not fit to be on as a mod then he shouldn't be on as a mod.

I've got all the sympathy in the world for the family of the kid, I've got kids of my own. But he's a doc, sometimes you loose one and feeling bad is part of the game if you're good at it at all. Bringing that here and taking it out on members really isn't cool and he really, when you come right down to it, should know not to.
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This is a "walk a mile in his moccasins" situation. Physicians, for better and for worse, are human. Jay's explanation was just that, an explanation, it was not an excuse. Show me a physician whose friends and/or family have never been on the receiving end of the back of the hand once or twice and I'll show you a physician with neither friends nor family. It even sometimes comes out in interactions with patients. That's reality. It happens.
 
Wilomn said:
Brevity is fine. In his occupation it happens. If he's not fit to be on as a mod then he shouldn't be on as a mod.

I've got all the sympathy in the world for the family of the kid, I've got kids of my own. But he's a doc, sometimes you loose one and feeling bad is part of the game if you're good at it at all. Bringing that here and taking it out on members really isn't cool and he really, when you come right down to it, should know not to.
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Wes,
I was not moderating when I addressed Michael in an abrupt manner. I did not apologize for how I addressed him in any manner as a moderator. Of course, I'm not suprised that you would try to twist these facts. :rolleyes:
 
Guys, I know how it works. I know how it's supposed to work. We ALL know that there is no love lost between owens and myself so if I cut him no slack, it's on me but that's the way it is.

He has responsibilities here as a mod. If his job renders him incapable of performing those responsibilities as he should, then he should not be here until such time as he can perform as he should.

Sometimes life just sucks.
 
If you're signed in as Dr. Owens, you're a mod.

Do like rich and make up another non-mod moniker if you wish to be known as anything other than a mod.
 
Wilomn said:
He has responsibilities here as a mod. If his job renders him incapable of performing those responsibilities as he should, then he should not be here until such time as he can perform as he should.
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Did you even read my previous post? Unbelievable... :rolleyes:
 
Wilomn said:
If you're signed in as Dr. Owens, you're a mod.

Do like rich and make up another non-mod moniker if you wish to be known as anything other than a mod.
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That is blatantly untrue, and Rich has stated so on numerous occassions. Once again, you are twisting the facts to try to substantiate your misguided perceptions.
 
Exactly Jimbo O.

Jimbo R. .. this:
But if you had ever walked in those shoes, you might choose to let it slide.
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...... is a fair and sympathetic statement. Dr. Jay's difficult day may have motivated him to type in haste. Wes's pusilanimous reply, as in cowardly, is no cover for the overwhelming number of times that he has responded as a child who didn't get his way. How low can one go ? Within the realm of Fauna, not a week, if day, goes by where Wes doesn't show me a "deeper meaning" ..... what a POS. That might get me some warning points .. I'm throwing a couple dimes in the "restore cup" as I type, so as to have a fund.

As for Dand following Wes with a magnifying glass, good for him. Wes decided to keep Dand's family in the mix here, and until Wes learns to walk away, NAIL HIM DAND. At this point in time, he deserves Elba, but maybe TRR will have to do.

Oh James ..... aka Jimbo F.
 
Wilomn said:
Guys, I know how it works. I know how it's supposed to work. We ALL know that there is no love lost between owens and myself so if I cut him no slack, it's on me but that's the way it is.

He has responsibilities here as a mod. If his job renders him incapable of performing those responsibilities as he should, then he should not be here until such time as he can perform as he should.

Sometimes life just sucks.
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And yet another interesting group of statements, Wes. If you don't cut any slack to someone with whom "no love is lost" then why would you even think they should cut YOU any slack? Just as you are apparently hounding every move they make, perhaps it stands to reason they are hounding yours as well......... Just a wild guess here............ :shrug01:

Tit for tat and all that rot.........

But Wes, give this one a whirl. Find a local LEO where there is no love lost between you and him and piss on his shoes every chance you get. Then double park here and there and ignore the speed limits whenever you think he may be watching.

If you give a reason to someone who CAN rap your knuckles who would like nothing better than to do so, what exactly do you think will happen when the opportunity presents itself?
 
Wilomn said:
If you're signed in as Dr. Owens, you're a mod.

Do like rich and make up another non-mod moniker if you wish to be known as anything other than a mod.
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I think you are a little mixed up about this, Wes. In both of my logins I am still the admin of this site. Which also implies moderation duties as well. And yes, I have done that no matter which hat I am wearing.

The reason for the two logins is because I try to isolate issues having to deal specifically with and about this site as being addressed as WebSlave, and everything else as Rich Z. In no instance have I ever stated, nor felt, that I could not act as a moderator while logged in as Rich Z. Matter of fact, no matter who I would be logged in, I would have no compunction whatsoever for issuing warning points if I saw the necessity for doing so.

I just tend to prefer posting replies as WebSlave when it is of an issue concerning the mechanics or management of this site, but I don't look upon it as a requirement to do so. But warning points and/or moderation will take place regardless of my login.

So your point is moot about Jay. Even if he created another logon account, I would fully expect him to act in a moderator's position regardless of the logon name he would be wearing at that time. It is completely up to him in HOW he chooses to act at any given time. There were no boundaries placed on when anyone COULD, much less HAD TO act as a moderator while here.

One request I make of the mods is that they do not use their powers as mods to unfairly stack the cards in their favor in discussions of topics outside of their actual jobs as moderators. In other words, in a discussion about ball python genetics, I would not appreciate a mod censoring through editing, deleting, or warning points, someone who was having a contrary opinion to theirs. This certainly does NOT apply to a mod being addressed AS a mod and fielding comments of a derogatory or abusive nature. In such cases, they can take the gloves off whenever they choose in order to deal with the situation. So yes, if you are being blatantly antagonistic towards a mod for acting in the role of a mod or because they ARE a mod, then they have my blessing to issue YOU warning points for that antagonism. Although some prefer to allow another mod to take up that role, it is not a requirement from me that they do it that way. And quite honestly, I am not going to engage in splitting hairs with them very much as to what constitutes "antagonism".

So if you decide you want to take pokes at someone able to issue you warning points, I will just assume you are intent on getting what you are asking for.
 
Here's a quick thought:

Did anyone ever come to the conclusion that the reason Wes gets dinged at about 10 times the frequency of the average poster is that he is ten times as obnoxious, belligerent, defensive and abrasive?


The math works.


Just a thought like I said.
 
Now John, how can a man with an avatar like his be all those things? Rambunctious, mischievous, spirited and cuddly would probably be a better description now dont you think?

The poor guy is just misunderstood.
 
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