Top Shelf Exotics (Inquiry)

[WebSlave]

Well this should all be very easy for Chris to clear up. If he has been selling definite het ball pythons, and as he claims they all originated from his own facility, then he MUST have at least one breeding adult for each of those het animals he has sold. Personally it would boggle my mind that anyone would buy just ONE of a rare and expensive morph (putting ALL of your eggs in one basket, so to speak), but anything is possible, I guess. And quite certainly, because of the time involved, he must have bought those animals from a known breeder. Which obviously means receipts were exchanged. Even if the seller doesn't want to get involved with coming forward with that proof, ANY business would retain such receipts for their business deductions come tax time and can show them here easily. That is all it would take to clear up a lot of this confusion. Further, how many people actually had those morphs a couple of years ago who would likely be sources of them for TSE to purchase from? I am not a ball python guy, so this is a bit beyond my circle of awareness, but I don't think there could have been unlimited sources for them a few years ago as fast as the pace is moving with ball python morphs.

Secondly, as per a fact stated within this quote:

in early to mid January when I sent TSE an e-mail asking about my shipment. After I sent off my e-mail I decided to go over to the TSE forum to see if there was any message posted there about the delayed shipments, since I could not find anything on Fauna. I thought that Chris might had gone to do a show somewhere, or was on vacation while the weather cleared, or that maybe I was being centered out for some stupid reason (a completely different story and possibly a new BOI thread but it has nothing to do with Chris). When I did arrive at the TSE forum I did find a guy in Texas that was having the same problems I was having, sad because I was happy that I finally didn't feel so alone. Nicholas was there trying to keep the situation contained so it would not get too blown out of proportion. Nick told the guy that he has alerted Chris and that the guy would receive his shipment if he lives in an area that the weather is expectable to ship to. My impression of Nick at that time was that he was more than a monitor but a close friend of Chris. Chris did find his way to that thread and he did explain that he and his guys had just came back from a show. I thought that I was right all along and so I put aside what I felt were only paranoid thoughts - what a relief! Chris went on to say, what we have already heard and IMO nothing very remarkable either, that the weather where they are and the destination has to be expectable before they will ship out. I also remember another guy who posted on that thread that said he was considering making a purchase of some snakes but if he has to wait several months to get them then it was not worth it. To which Chris replied in a very typical and hostile Chris way.

Well what shows have TSE attended and who has seen them there? What types of animals were displayed on the tables? It is not at all unusual at shows for vendors, when selling het animals, to display the parent stock of those hets as visual proof right then and there to potential customers that they at least have the capability to produce what they say they are selling. So who has seen Chris Johnson and his animals at a show?

Thirdly,

The advertising page on TSE's site shows the following ad copy:

Please note that there are a few high end morphs listed as SOLD OUT, which implies that he has had them available in the past, but sold them to customers. Anyone here who has bought any of those homozygous animals that can at least vouch for them being at least some indication that those genetic morphs have come from TSE?

I think the more evidence displayed the better.

 

[Ian S.]

What I have against you is your inability to get any point across without profanity or insults. Your earlier posts in this thread illustrate it pretty well. Some of the things you have said cross the line and are despicable. Other than that, I am sure you are a swell guy!

My point is very simple!! Did you not see my post to an external link proving my involvment with this guy?? Unfortunately I didn't save any paypal transactions that ,yes,with some effort I could get, but won't even waste my time with. I have every right to call em like I see em espescially after this thread. Maybe you should head back and read my post sister and I do hope this is the last time you call me out, because I let it slide a few times and honestly, I'don't know you, have ever spoken with you, nor dealt with you concerning anything.

 

[jglass38]

My point is very simple!! Did you not see my post to an external link proving my involvment with this guy?? Unfortunately I didn't save any paypal transactions that ,yes,with some effort I could get, but won't even waste my time with. I have every right to call em like I see em espescially after this thread. Maybe you should head back and read my post sister and I do hope this is the last time you call me out, because I let it slide a few times and honestly, I'don't know you, have ever spoken with you, nor dealt with you concerning anything.

You let it slide? As opposed to doing what? I have called you out on some horrible things that you have said about a guy's health and the name calling. We are all adults here and should act like it.

 

[jglass38]

And yes, I saw your posts and the troubles you have allegedly had with TSE. So have a lot of other people who have posted in this thread but not felt the need to cross the line.

 

[Ian S.]

So then I ask what have I not proved.

 

[jglass38]

So then I ask what have I not proved.

And I say again, my disagreement wasn't with your argument but how you chose to make that argument.

 

[weostan]

hey everyone the FBI has an internet crimes division. it only takes 2-3 minutes.just in case anyone wanted to file a complant.

 

[Cat_72]

So then I ask what have I not proved.

A better question Ian may be what HAVE you proven?

No one is denying you have had problems with TSE as well, you could just handle your posts in a more adult manner. We're all here for the same reasons, or at least we should be.

 

[Lucille]

Regardless of my feelings about Chris and TSE at this moment, even I wouldn't condone this kind of post

I agree. I strongly feel that justice should have its way here, and that people should begin using legal means to regain the funds they have lost.
But it is one thing to deal swiftly and surely with those who have done wrong, and another to attempt to dehumanize the situation.
Let's act like adults here.

 

[saltwaterreptiles]

Rich, that ad you gleaned from TSE is the most telling bit of information I have seen in this thread yet.... it will be interesting to see if anyone steps forward and claims ownership of one of the "sold out" snakes

 

[Ian S.]

I agree. I strongly feel that justice should have its way here, and that people should begin using legal means to regain the funds they have lost.
But it is one thing to deal swiftly and surely with those who have done wrong, and another to attempt to dehumanize the situation.
Let's act like adults here.

100% in agreement here, but I don't find that denying responsibilities and then a reneg should tame the hearts of anyone.

 

[Ian S.]

I am offended that this guy has the right to come here and blame hardworking folks that only want a simple refund of what's rightfully theirs. All this time has gone bye and how many refunds were made in this time. Answer that.

 

[Ian S.]

Come on now!! It's supposedly not as simple as sending a check in the mail but it sure was easy to cash it!! So lets see those refunds. "This is so dishardening"

 

[Lucille]

100% in agreement here, but

Being a woman, I just love the first 4 words of your post. Don't follow them with a 'but'
Come on Ian, back off the unworthy comments, be a part of the community and voice your feelings but don't demean yourself by using derogatory words.
Deal?

 

[nicolai]

I think this is what cathy and jamie were referring to IAN.

Name calling and general derogatory statements - 4 points.
This should be pretty self explanatory. Even is someone actually IS a scumbag, don't call them one on this site. Learn some finesse with the english language and imply all you want, but just try to avoid being crude about it.

 

[Ian S.]

I think this is what cathy and jamie were referring to IAN.

Name calling and general derogatory statements - 4 points.
This should be pretty self explanatory. Even is someone actually IS a scumbag, don't call them one on this site. Learn some finesse with the english language and imply all you want, but just try to avoid being crude about it.

right on Nicholia, but why should I be faulted for not being down with your lingo and lucille how about you back off and let some people awnser my questions as to how many refunds have been made this week or in the past or for the last six months.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Well, since it is the topic of the moment ! I can understand some of the ladies not wanting to "stoop" the the choice of some words. I can understand some folks wanting to point out that certain rules are in play here that may incur a penalty if you choose to continue to post here. But I am certainly not going to be so haughty to say that you cannot call someone a S-bag etc. if they have crossed that line for you. It may not be what many of us would consider civil, but not all situations require civility, and as with all, it is your choice to make. Certainly those that have been ripped-off here, or had past unsavory exchanges with Chris, would seem most qualified to unleash a salvo or two, at their option. Count me as one who does not feel it proper to decide whether it is "adult-like" or not, as I trust you are an adult, know the rules, and have made your judgements accordingly.

 

[Ian S.]

to be honest steve?

I certainly have no intentions of feeding a frenzied pack of sharks out to waste time better spent. Get lives. Seriously. (And thats not directed to those of you who have refrained from being rude or making outrageous assumptions)

I'm finished here unless I find a reason to post on a topic I feel needs addressing. I am all too aware of how fauna works and how the assumptions fly in ones absence. It is not surprising nor will I waste time addressing nonesense.

Maybe you all missed this post or sheesh I don't know but I found this to be utterly sickening not to mention immature which has brought me to the pull no punches mode that I'm currently in.

 

[Ian S.]

I also stated I certainly was not going to buy into baiting attempts or stupidity in the form of unproven accusations or assumptions.

ok thats not immature or derogatory?? I as well as many have seen the evidence.

Everyone wants immediate refunds when they themselves filed claims and threw our accounts into delinquency.

OK!!

I’ll simply have to sell the “shirt off my back” to make good.

There's the confession.

 

[nicolai]

Count me as one who does not feel it proper to decide whether it is "adult-like" or not, as I trust you are an adult, know the rules, and have made your judgements accordingly.

The problem with that statement is there are a lot of viewers here now that arent adults (8-16 yr old group) that like to read this stuff. Its just setting a poor example.


Ian you must have hit the lottery, Dtomas and Webslave just gave you warnings and you went from 8 points down to 4 points instead of up to 16 (10.00 fine as well). Time to keep a low profile.