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YOU GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT on Kingsnake!

If you've got something better to call it then I'd like to here it.


Well let me see.
Melissa is for the reptile Ban.
her posts and articles reminds me of an animal rights activist.

So Jakey.....have you actually read the articles on her website?

There is some guy she wrote about.....she calls him an expert.
Basically he bought several different animals.....and ended up killing them. Then instead of learning about them.....he just bought more and killed them. After he killed even more, he decided to say that reptiles should not be kept as pets. So Melissa calls him an expert.

If all you have to do is kill animals to be an expert in Melissa's eyes.....I better stop caring for my animals in my house.

Because apperantly killing animals means you are an expert.
Caring and learning about your animals means you are a no good keeper.
 
i never said that i thought it should have been deleted. i agree that the censoring is stupid and i said so in a post during the discussion. the initiator of the discussion started it wildly. i agree, though i dont think they belonged in that paticualr forum, his points were valid to a point. However he just went off in a malicious attack of Melissa Kaplan. You check my remarks, I don't trust her "teachings" either. It all comes down to the way he presented the material. Thats the problem I have. He intentially starts trouble and then comes over here to whine about how his discussion was deleted.
 
forgot my name

i never said that i thought it should have been deleted. i agree that the censoring is stupid and i said so in a post during the discussion. the initiator of the discussion started it wildly. i agree, though i dont think they belonged in that paticualr forum, his points were valid to a point. However he just went off in a malicious attack of Melissa Kaplan. You check my remarks, I don't trust her "teachings" either. It all comes down to the way he presented the material. Thats the problem I have. He intentially starts trouble and then comes over here to whine about how his discussion was deleted.

By the way i thought of some more "mature" names: antagonist, istigator.. do those work??

JAKE OLSEN
 
just a question...

Is it a possibility that Melissa K. herself deleted the thread? She is, after all, a moderator of that forum and posts there quite often. Perhaps she didn't appreciate the negative attention?

And Rozann...don't give up on the forum over there quite yet, there are still a *few* of us good folk around :)




Stephanie Beiser
Mid-Michigan Reptile Rescue
 
Jake, since you seem unable to grasp the enormously simple concepts involved here, let me explain them in very easy to understand terms...

Gmoney- The originator of that KS thread, no idea who he is, no name, no blame, no traceable information...

M_surinamensis- Me, Seamus Haley, [email protected], willing to take full responsibility for my own words.

I did not post on that particular issue until after the initiation of this post on this board informing me of it's existence, I read the existing threads and made my post on January 08, 2003 at 14:06:38, the tread was started yesterday. I return shortly before January 08, 2003 at 20:21:51, over six hours later to find my post has been removed, deleted and pulled. In their place was the thread surrounding the removal of the earlier post. In reading those, several people were attempting, in a very juvenile and fairly ignorant manner, to insult those who had posted information that lent evidence to Kaplan's inaccurate information. SInce the attempts were frankly childish and poorly written, there was no significant insult but I did feel it warranted to write in objection to the blanket statements stating that I, by inference and common view if not directly or by name, was posting solely to inflame the message board. My intention was, as it has been on this matter, to provide examples that detract from the credibility the naive lend to Kaplan's work. Her information is terrible, no two ways about it, informing people of this is simply something I choose to do as a herper with an interest in providing proper information to those who need it.

I responded in exactly the manner that the newer posts deserved, you... I assume you at any rate based of the identical KS and fauna login names, were apparently stupid enough to belive that I was the individual who had posted the initial post calling Kaplan for her misinformation. If the writing styles didn't clue you in, you're either soused or illiterate, take your pick.

You then come here and make references to someone returning to the boards to speak about it again. Once again I was not the originator of the posts I replied to and once again you fail to have the basic reading abilities needed to distinguish my writing from that of others and then wander over here posting about my inflammatory posts...

What exactly did you think your post here was? Can you honestly say you didn't come here out of some confused and simple minded sense of vindictiveness and a desire to wave your ignorance around like a banner? Well, you win, you proved you aren't bright enough to distinguish between two people with different log in names, different e-mail addresses and different writing styles, you have amazed me and proven your point on that regard.

The implication that I do not have the experience and educational background to make the determination that Kaplan's information is more often than not garbage is laughable as well. You obviously have not the slightest idea who I am (no surprise, I have been fairly low key for many years) but you feel you can pass judgement on my knowledge... If you care to throw down the gauntlet on THAT score, I'm more than willing to entertain you for three minutes until you run away with your tail between your legs in any aspect of herpetology or captive reptile and amphibian care that you like. In an appropriate forum. I would ask Rich and those more sensitive to forgive my wording on this issue but... I will slap you around like the ignorant and inexperienced child you so obviously are when it comes to brains, experience or knowledge.

If you have some sort of half witted response devoid of punctuation or logic to give, please feel free, I'm sure most here could use a laugh.

Neil, what's my word count on that? I don't think I nailed the under 100 I was supposed to be shooting for.
 
Jakeyjakers said:
He intentially starts trouble and then comes over here to whine about how his discussion was deleted.


To my knowledge the originator of the kingsnake thread has not commented in this thread.

The main person "whining" about his contribution being deleted is Seamus Haley who spent the time to write an intelligent post on the subject and was the first part of the thread to be deleted.


I too saved a copy of Seamus' post as I felt it was of such quality worthy of such, as most of His posts are.
If I didn't think it disrespectful to do so, I would post it right now to make the point.
 
Is it a possibility that Melissa K. herself deleted the thread? She is, after all, a moderator of that forum and posts there quite often. Perhaps she didn't appreciate the negative attention?

According to one of the posts by a Moderator over there (put up soon after all this went down), they do not have the direct power to delete posts. The implication was that they submitted them to an Abuse Director (or some such title) same as a general user of KS. I would assume though that a recommendation by a Moderator would have more pull than a recommendation by a common user.
 
Let's get down to business

You know, in my eyes, only a p*@^#y, idiot crybaby with no self-esteem can't handle a little criticism! I don't care who deleted the post. MK is an idiot and I'm not sure if anybody has every heard somebody say "If you throw enough $hit against a wall something's bound to stick".

Well, this applies with her, I could start writing care sheets on lions, bear, dove, crickets and platypus and would be bound to get some information correct with just guesses.

This is out of control with not only KS but also their forums and moderators. They've reached a point in my view that they're going to start doing more harm then good. People take time out of their life’s to comprise those posts and the powers that be over there have NO respect for that time.

They also have this idea they're so big nobody can knock them off their high horse. Well, I know the story of David and Goliath! I know we're all smart enough to do better!

Do any of you have any ideas? Let's put our minds together, get us a ringleader and do what needs to be done.

Is anybody willing to step up? Maybe set up a chat though AIM or something to get some thoughts down and ideas implemented!

Come on, let's put our heads together! Who has AIM? Let's set up a time for a chat!

Adam Block
 
The pattern went from stupid to what could have been a real good an informative discussion.

Therein lies the problem Rozann. The moderators were just fine with it being a post full of garbage that to anyone with half a brain would be easily distinguished as crap, but once it was taken to a credible level with REAL facts and incriminatine evidence it became a threat and HAD to be removed.

But don't you think it would be nice to sometimes cut the nicety crap and just have a plain old informative debate without worry of being kicked off?????

wouldn't it???!!! too bad that era is over.

unfortunately, i think we are stuck. kingsnake has the numbers, fauna has the potential, but due to its reputation, it will take a long time to re-establish the credibility necessary to draw the numbers (and info) necessary for a decent discussion about much at all. many of the users of this site have turned it into a giant social gathering (or lynching at times, whatever term you prefer) when it shouldn't be which has turned it into a joke. of course, this is all my personal opinion. my hopes are that given the freedoms and potential of each site, head to head, that this site will win out and kingsnake will become a distant memory in our minds.

we can hope...
jb
 
Just a quick question.
Where did Melissa get her education anyway.
Did she study herpetology in an accredited school?
Or is all this "knowledge basically coming from her reading a ton of books?


Because I have read a Ton of books....I have killed a couple animals. I have participated in lots of forums, shows, talks, presentations and what have you. Am I an expert yet?
And by golly....let me tell you. I have read a ton of books published by TFH.............That right there should entitle me with
a phd after my name
 
I concur JB, and I am doing some serious thinking on that. This forum has some glitches, but can be ironed out. I havent fully looked over this whole forum but I have seen some things that can be changed. I see forums not being used, Jake you being 16, at least according to your profile, can maybe come up with some kind of answer to..... How does one let people know that they can CHOOSE to go to different forums? You seemed to get pretty rational here so I thought maybe I would incorperate you as well. The hard part is to figure out how to get the people here when most are at KS and you can't say whispering now.... fauna..... on their forum. I appeal to you, Jake because you are a generation that is coming to light, so if you only did not agree with the person who started that post, which is no one here, and do agree with me on being able to choose, then why not help?
I am not saying to stop KS, choice is good, I am saying to put them at the same level as we are. There are a lot of good people there, (I will not give up on) and I will continue to go there, BUT wouldnt it be so nice to be able to go to more than one?
If the forum had more people the BOI would really just become what it was meant to be. Of course I think there should be some rules to organize, but no fear of getting tossed because someone up stairs does not like what you have to say.
Oh man, its late.
Anyway, sorry for babbling, just many ideas and concepts are going thru my mind. I do not know if this board is open to ideas but I am sure I can think of some.

good night
Rozann Lamont
 
This board certainly is open to discussion about changes and ideas. Although some just may not be feasible without a lot of programming time and effort, which I just don't have available to put into it right now.

I have a section in the Administrative area called "Discussions about this site" that is specifically there just for this reason. A common area where I hope to have people voice their opinions and ideas about things concerning this site rather than scattering them all over the message board.

Right now I am in the middle of changing around the structure substantially. There are going to be some rough edges exposed and certainly not everyone is going to like the changes. That is just par for the course, unfortunately. Some things I will do will necessarily be a compromise between what I want to do, and what I CAN do with this message board system. Although it is very flexible, it is not infinitely so and was not designed to be everything for everyone. I have to live with what I've got here.

And for the record, I am very disappointed as well as sorry about what happened between Jeff Barringer and myself. I have always respected that man and had many pleasant and interesting conversation with him over the last few years, which I am certain have come to an end. I feel like I was betrayed by someone whom I thought of as a friend.

I guess he has higher priorities in life now.
 
I missed the whole thread in question, but I did see the post by PHWyvern, which stated that moderators cannot erse posts. To this I must ask, do the moderators then inform the abuse coordinator with what they feel should replace the post? I have heard of more than a few posts that were erased and replaced by the comments of one of the moderators. Does this mean that they can edit posts, but not erase them?

As far as pushing this site, I encourage everyone to make a post in the forum of their greatest expertise (that's right, Ritchie, expertise) asking for questions and ensuring answers should question appear. I will be doing this myself in the Agamid/tegu forum when I am done with this post. I hope to see others offering their knowledge and experience in that forum and all the others.
 
You are right. If we ever want to see the forums here get better, we need to start using them. The BOI and General Discussions is really the only part of this site that is always filled with people and comments. I completely agree with Richard on this one and I will help by posting in the forums here also. Thanks.

Tony Alles
 
I'm planning on expanding them, so expect some changes. It just takes longer than I wish it would to implement the changes I want to do.

I have been told that this message board can handle what I want it to do, but I'll still be holding my breath.....
 
that's right, Ritchie, expertise
don't know what you mean. So I will cover a couple things just in case you meant one of them.

I know what the word expertise means and I do know it is spelled correctly.
Or if you meant it another way.
I don't claim to be an expert.

and on another note. Someone who has read a lot of books on herps is by no means an expert. Just like in school when you read a lot of books......you also gotta have some lab time.

Hands on is your lab time.

Anyway I have read the books (not just TFH, that was a joke anyway)
But now I am getting some serious work on my lab time.

speaking of lab time............
my darn hova bator keeps going up in temp all of a sudden.
I go away on vacation in a couple days. I will probably come back to some hard boiled eggs. Let me go to my lab/kitchen and fix what is in the incubator/oven.
 
Hey Richard,
I was literally launging not too long ago. In fact I am still chuckling to myself. It is more corny than it is funny. But here goes.

Are you claiming to have expertise in the agamid tegu section?
or
are you claiming to be an expert tease?



he he ho ho h a ha ha:D ;) :)
 
speaking of lab time............
my darn hova bator keeps going up in temp all of a sudden.
I go away on vacation in a couple days. I will probably come back to some hard boiled eggs. Let me go to my lab/kitchen and fix what is in the incubator/oven.

Certainly off topic, but I need to catch your attention on this.

NEVER place your complete faith in ANY single thermostat! These demonic devices have caused more heartbreak than any one single item I can think of in this business.

ALWAYS have a backup in case of failure.
 
I know it is off topic.

but I am setting up my other incubator....
and speaking of back up. I will have to temp controlers on it.
one as back up. thanks for the suggestion. It will give me peace of mind when going on vacation. Thank you
 
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