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Bad Guy Yvonne Carpenter - Boas By Satyra

Well... I found out today that apparently Yvonne feels that it's OK to PM moderators and members on RTB.com and I'm guessing other sites and spread the "theft" lie, yet she feels no need to come on here and explain herself...

Personally, I feel that's wrong... I don't know about y'all... But that pretty much shows me that she does not intend to pay me or even own up to her responsibilities but would rather attempt to trash me behind my and the public's back...

I think if she needs to say something, it should be public...

Don't hide behind the screen and spread lies in an attempt to make me look bad... I already know you are trying to accuse me of this, so confront me, please! You know that it is a lie and the staged pic and video is just sad...
 
I think if she needs to say something, it should be public...

Sakara: I'm the only one in my area who will be selling them
Sakara: well... actually there is one other person who will have moonglows around here
Sakara: but not with a crappy rep that they will have shortly in this area, LOL

As was stated Sept 27, 2010 in the chatbox, long before I ever mentioned anything in public.

I posted this pretty much exact thread on the local Texas forum when she posted her snakes for sale so that my friends and local Texans would know about the situation...

you said you put it up several places including a board for your fellow texans. You're just spreading the fire right now and it isn't right.

Fair enough - if it had anything to do with our actions as a breeder. That forum has 126 members, and the thread itself has restricted access.

...were staying with us from mid-late October 2009 until June 2010...

They also had stayed here by themselves without us here several times while we were on vacation to Florida

Last week of December 2009 through May 7, 2010.
Anytime previous to that you were on vacation and I was house sitting while you were in FLA on vacation and I was caring for your animals.

they moved out early one morning before Ryan and I even woke up, didn't give us a forwarding address and didn't give us any checks

We did not supply our new address due to the odd things that happened once you learned we had secured a lease for our new place.

There was rabbit pee from their rabbits on our brand new carpet that will not come out with even 5 steam cleanings... there is sprayed rabbit poo and pee on one wall in my garage that they neglected to clean... There is a LARGE section of carpet that was obviously, purposely cut out of the back corner of the closet in the room that they were keeping their snakes in....

But there are a couple CHUNKS out of our wall where they were damaged by something... They had several large cages, a rat rack and several large rabbit cages when they were here... Any of those could have done the damage when they were moving them...

There are also several dents, dings and screwed up spots on my walls from where something? large was moved and they were not there until after Yvonne and Corey moved in and left... Mind you, they moved in not even a month after we bought this house and we have an inspection report stating that none of this damage was there prior...

Dents and Dings... You have more than a few pieces of large furniture, and cages, not to mention guest that go down to that area of the house to use the restroom, or look at snakes. With your house being newer, we always took caution when moving anything. Not to mention I recall Ryan showing me more than a few things that were not on the inspection report.
Those were also your rabbits, not only mine, in the livingroom, which you never fed, watered, or cleaned. They all eventually were moved to the garage once a few more were acquired. After removing the rabbits from the garage, Ryan told us not to worry about that mess - he wanted to try out his power washer he was about to buy.
I also recall you letting the rabbits run around the house for extended periods of time, while you let Koda chase them around and grab with his mouth.
The carpet in the closet was not a full solid piece and was used to patch the 'mysterious square' with your permission.
All the damages you are mentioning are also in common areas of the house - we should not be held liable for something someone else may have done.

The house was brand new and I have the inspection report stating there was no carpet damage in any of those areas before they moved in...

Also, your house was not new when you moved in. It did have previous owners and was at least a few years old when you moved in.
The only damage I partially agree on is the carpet in front of the bedroom door, Koda was the one who started that - trying to get in at night, or while we were eating.

But about a month before they left they had gotten a like... $350ish dollar order from Big Cheese to split with us... We paid our half to them and divided the rats when they got home from picking them up... Yvonne always wrote her name on her feeders so that we didn't get them mixed up... But when they left, almost all of the feeders from my share of the rodents were gone...

there were half of my rats missing that I didn't realize until I went to feed my snakes and a lot of my feeders were gone... Approx. $100 worth of medium, large and XL rats...

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A feed order of $472.75, with us paying at least $380 of is not even close to 50/50. We didn't say anything when you fed our live chick we were planning raising up for a bit to one of your animals. Not to mention we keep detailed inventory of our feed items. I also made it VERY clear before I ordered the feeders that I needed the bulk of them, you only contributed $100 cash for them, given to me at the NARBC expo before I picked up the food. I let you in on this order as a courtesy because you said you needed some food. I paid $80 cash that day, with the rest going through paypal.

So pretty much, they have been spending our bill and damage money to continue their obvious addiction and have attempted to avoid us at any costs...

I bring all this up now because they are attempting to get their name out there as a "good breeder" when they are really just thieves who have outstanding debts to us... I thought they were our friends, but apparently they aren't and never were since they feel they can take advantage of our kindness of letting them stay in our house for that period of time...

we are far from thieves, liars, or scam artists. Like you, we are trying to emerge in the industry with quality animals an honest people backing them. All of our breeding stock was carefully selected and we have raised them from babies, with the intentions of only getting one or two litters from them. The only exception is our Surinam pair and our WC Hatian that we bought as adults. I would not even mention the words taking advantage.

We fronted the money for all those bills and the money you paid us for them paid off the charges for the bills on the credit card.

It's not like I can't afford to buy an albino jungle or whatever else if I wanted one...

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Interesting you need our money to pay off your credit card debit, yet you are purchasing more animals and can afford a pricey toy for your car.

About the turtles, did you ever get the pond going? We would like the tank, stand, pumps, filter, and the air filter back. You can continue to enjoy the paper shredder and commander remote control - you will get more use out of them than us.
We would also like the rock pictured here with kinky

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The bills are a whole other issue though obviously... That's simply not paying someone money that you owe to them... Bad business practice no matter how you look at that...

I think the bills are the only issue here. If you return the above property, and agree to the timeframe we have provided, we can come to terms for 'rent'. This is to include only the utilities we agreed to pay, minus the $75 you sold the bowfront aquarium for.

I think the photo is a bunch of horse hockey. What kind of person takes a photo of a snake in a bin at the place they're staying at...and then says it was stolen? How does that make any sense? Did anyone check the EXIF data on the photo?

*Why was she looking through your rack in the first place?

The photo is legitimate. We came home one night to find ourselves locked out for the first time ever. This was the day of or after we had informed them we had signed a lease. Almost every light in the house was on and you could hear all kinds of frantic actions. I can think of one reason for this, but will not mention it.
Three to five minutes later they unlocked the door and let us in. They were acting somewhat odd... The next day we went to check our animals. One was missing... We looked very thoroughly in the snake room (ours), bedroom, bathroom, washroom, next room was their snakeroom. And for the first time ever the door was locked.
This can be done accidentally, so we didn't think anything of it at the moment. Since this was (until now) a common area, we unlocked the door. After searching under and behind everything, we started checking every bin. Eventually we found our animal in with a new acquisition of Ashley's. The bin also did not have a water bowl for whatever reason.
We decided to leave the animal there for the moment. We then decided to reserve a truck for the next morning and get everything out, and document our findings.

Exif data shows the picture was taken on May 5th around 9pm.

Sakara has spent thousands of dollars on her snake collection. There's no reason why she'd buy a $1500+ paradox albino boa and steal a jungle boa but be stupid enough to leave it IN the rack with all her other snakes WHILE Yvonne lived there.

You are incorrect on the paradox price and the above comment reveals that this happened after we informed them we were moving.

I'm sorry.. but HOW would you open a bin to take a picture of YOUR snake in a rack, in the place you are LIVING in, then claim it's "stolen"? Were both arms broken? Wait, no, she sure operated the camera just fine. I'll bet she took the pic when her animals were legitimately in the house and just popped up with the picture now.

She owes bill money, damages and YOU are taking her side on the "proof" of a picture of her snake in a rack that's within a foot of her. Unless you want to now claim that she was somehow restrained from removing her animal at the time of the picture taking, I'd like ot know how that picture proves the animal is stolen.
Although this room did not house any of our animals, it was until the last few days, a communal area, we frequently checked on and tended to their animals. Never was that room a place for our animals.

But the way I see it is, she is trying to slander my name by saying I stole, which I didn't... Why would I? It's a $300 boa that, IMO, isn't even close to a stature of jungle I'd buy if I were to want one...

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I find it very coincidental that this animal was our smallest and highest valued animal. It magically escapes a bin that requires two hands to remove, slithers to another room, climbs up three bins and squeezes itself into a closed bin in the middle of a stack, with no water, heat and a roommate.
I also think it is interesting that none of our animals have 'escaped' since we moved here, like they frequently did while living with you.

The rats stunk to high heaven and it took several days of cleaning and candles and good smelling spray to get that stink out of my house... The bedding was left in there for a while at times and left to smell...

You can't breed rats without the smell - even changing the bedding every three days. The rats were inside for a short period of time, most of the time they were in the garage and eventually outside along with the rabbits. The rats and rabbits you did not feed or water daily, fyi after we got the rabbits here, three of them died that day from starvation, dehydration and possibly stress from moving.

but can't afford new caging for their larger animals that need it and always complained about not being able to afford larger cages and even feeders... So in that sense, they are not caring for their animals properly, because they see buying more animals more important than properly caring for the ones they already have...

The caging we have is adequate for all of our animals at present and in the future, we were speaking long term future. All of our animals are well cared for, healthy and frequently handled.

Thanks Chaz... and I think Texas is 90 days? and you are a "resident" of where you are staying... I will have to double check, but I'm pretty sure it's 90 days... and they were deff. here for at least... 7 months...

There is no disagreement on the fact we stayed there and have outstanding debt in regards to this, the dates and damages are up for dispute.

When Koda attacked my husband twice in one day and destroyed his 'PT' pants, we did not ask you to replace them, things happen - and we move on. We also didn't say anything when you offered up a barely weaned finch to kaylee, which she fatally injured.
 
I still don't understand why someone would be stupid enough to stick one of your snakes in a bin with her own snake.

Also, what were you doing sneaking around her snake room and looking through all of her bins? Why would you think to immediately look there and nowhere else?
 
I still don't understand why someone would be stupid enough to stick one of your snakes in a bin with her own snake.

Also, what were you doing sneaking around her snake room and looking through all of her bins? Why would you think to immediately look there and nowhere else?

It says pretty plainly that they looed there LAST.....:rolleyes:
 
It still doesn't make sense why you post on RTB.com about new snakes you buy and yet you couldn't afford to pay people back? And then you call her out on buying a snake she can afford?

What about the lock on the door. How did you get a key for that room if they put a lock on it?
 
Honestly, I see better, more plausible evidence being provided for their side of the argument from Yvonne......it sounds more like just sour grapes from Ashley.

All the allegations that Ashley has posted.....no proof, just hearsay.
 
So my question is did Yvonne recover the snake that was in the rack??? Honestly alot of this thread is more of a civil matter than anything other than the snake issue at hand! I fully agree with David! :iagree:
 
I fail to see what proof was provided by either party that was concrete evidence of anything other then the damaged carpet. If you want to say hearsay, both parties are guilty.

What was the purpose of posting screenshots of the OP discussing purchasing animals? It is not she who owed a debt to Yvonne. What was the purpose of posting a scan of a bill of sale for the "stolen" boa? What was the purpose of posting a screenshot from PayPal for $300 when you can't see who it went to or what it was for?
 
For what it's worth, I have done business with Yvonne and have never had any problems. She made her payments on time and stayed in contact well.

It seems like the story was stretched a bit by Ashley as far as time frame and the condition of the house goes. I also don't understand why the boa ended up in one of her racks??

This sounds like a friendship gone sour due to hard feelings incurred by living together. I hope that you two can work things out and be friends again.

Just my .02

Anya Hogan
 
So my question is did Yvonne recover the snake that was in the rack??? Honestly alot of this thread is more of a civil matter than anything other than the snake issue at hand! I fully agree with David! :iagree:

Finally someone is making sense in this thread..... THis seems like an issue better settled in small claims court rather than a public forum
 
I fail to see what proof was provided by either party that was concrete evidence of anything other then the damaged carpet. If you want to say hearsay, both parties are guilty.

:iagree: This was what I was trying to get across. I guess I was just saying it in the wrong way. I guess instead of saying 'benefit of the doubt and playing nice' I should have been straight forward like this. No one honestly can know the complete and utter truth but them.
 
I apologize that I have not had the chance to write out a response yet... Been very very busy with things at home... Just didn't want anyone to think I'm ignoring this... I will write a longer response when I get a chance to sit and write it
 
This last post was almost a month ago...
If you posted about this situation here, I would imagine it's a high priority?
I know you're busy with a new baby and are selling snakes, but you also spend a lot of time on RTB.net, so I'm wondering why you haven't taken time to clear things up?
 
I agree. You took the time to start this thread, but now you have nothing to say to defend yourself. It appears that this isn't a priority after all.
 
Sakara has had plenty of time to pick this up, but she's been posting on forums almost every day since the last post. It just doesn't make sense to me that this is not a priority when it was such a big deal in the first place.

We've all gathered that this better belongs in a courtroom rather than the BOI, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with how either party's animals are being treated and why someone shouldn't buy from one or the other. However, Ashley said her piece, and Yvonne said hers. It should probably end there. Not with "Oh, I have more stuff to say and I'll get back to you some other time because it is SUCH a priority", and then say NOTHING for almost 30 days.

A lot of people know, including myself, that you've had it out for Yvonne for MONTHS. And as far you "not wanting to go public", minutes after you posted this thread, you post this

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/just-talk/66211-think-yall-need-know-about.html

on RTB, knowing full well that this type of thing isn't allowed on that forum. You've been there long enough to know that.

Now, it may seem like I'm attacking you, but I'm just pointing out some things. I know Yvonne is breeding some stuff I might want in the future and this thread really doesn't give me much to go on, other than that she owes you $800 something dollars that, apparently, you will be getting back as soon as she gets the items she's asking of you.
 
Agreed, I've also seen you on RTB chat several times since the 1st of Nov. when your last post was submitted.

You had plenty of time there to tell everyone how you are getting certain female anatomy pierced, complain about a moderator, but not enough time to reply here with proof of your claims.

Well... I found out today that apparently Yvonne feels that it's OK to PM moderators and members on RTB.com and I'm guessing other sites and spread the "theft" lie, yet she feels no need to come on here and explain herself...
Who did she say supposably say this to?? Unless you have those PMs, or the mods show up to provide them, it's just more hearsay on your part.

I have to admit, if I came home and found MY
boachick17 said:
"highest valued animal had magically escaped a bin that required two hands to remove, slithered to another room, climbed up three bins and squeezed itself into a closed bin in the middle of a stack, with no water, heat and a roommate"
I'd be a little suspicious as well, and YES I'd probably mention it to a few people.

Yvonne HAS her snake, so obviously no ACTUAL theft occurred, and no harm was done with the snake, so I think that bit of drama can be laid to rest. The only person I've heard even bring up that accusation is Ashley herself.

Obviously we ALL want to know if we are dealing with a potential scammer, but without some more concrete proof, it's just petty drama, and best left off the BOI.

So far, the only proof shows Yvonne paid you $300 towards a $472 feed bill.
She's not disputing she owes money, but apparently the amount is disagreed, and it should be taken into consideration that some things are still in Ashley's possession, or have been sold by Ashley.

The rats and rabbits you did not feed or water daily, fyi after we got the rabbits here, three of them died that day from starvation, dehydration and possibly stress from moving.
I think I'd address this claim if this was actually not my responsibility to be caring for these animals, I wouldn't want to appear to be neglecting animals.

You also claim in the above posts to
Sakara said:
"not be living paycheck to paycheck" and having "significant amounts of extra money to buy yourself something special AFTER taking care of bills, utilities, food, etc", and "able to afford new snakes"
..but you posted a gripe on Facebook about not receiving welfare (WIC)!

If you have money for all this other stuff for your car, and more snakes, why are you trying to get welfare? That almost makes you look like you are looking for a free ride on someone else's dime, IMO.

What you do with your money is your business, just because you have more/less doesn't give people the right to take advantage of you.

HOWEVER, it sheds a questionable light on your character that you, who "needs the money for credit card debt" is out spending all this money on other things while hitting up the government for a free ride.

I'm not liking the color this is painting you in, Ashley. You started this thread, you really need to have more evidence to back up your claims against Yvonne, or ask the thread be removed.
 
Oh and since I was asking for evidence, it's only fair I post mine for the "welfare" statement on FB:

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responses in bold

Last week of December 2009 through May 7, 2010.
Anytime previous to that you were on vacation and I was house sitting while you were in FLA on vacation and I was caring for your animals.
YOU were staying here longer than that... Corey hadn't moved down yet and was still in Dallas and you were making regular trips up there to see him, but you still had half your animals and yourself staying down here at our house



We did not supply our new address due to the odd things that happened once you learned we had secured a lease for our new place.
That simply sounds like avoiding the situation... And making sure that we don't know where you are... Which we do, BTW




Dents and Dings... You have more than a few pieces of large furniture, and cages, not to mention guest that go down to that area of the house to use the restroom, or look at snakes. With your house being newer, we always took caution when moving anything. Not to mention I recall Ryan showing me more than a few things that were not on the inspection report.
Yes, I understand dents and dings happen, which is why I'm not making a BIG deal out of it... I mentioned it, yes... And there were a couple small dings prior to y'all moving in, yes, I didn't say they ALL appeared when y'all moved in, but some did...

Those were also your rabbits, not only mine, in the livingroom, which you never fed, watered, or cleaned. They all eventually were moved to the garage once a few more were acquired. After removing the rabbits from the garage, Ryan told us not to worry about that mess - he wanted to try out his power washer he was about to buy.
I also recall you letting the rabbits run around the house for extended periods of time, while you let Koda chase them around and grab with his mouth.
3 of those rabbits were mine, yes... And YOU stated that you wanted to take care of the rodent breeding... I supplied food, bedding and financial support for the, as well as you, but you said you were taking care of them primarily... But yes, I DID feed and water them. And Koda liked to play with them, yes, but it was never in harm.. He plays with the cats the same way and you know this...

The carpet in the closet was not a full solid piece and was used to patch the 'mysterious square' with your permission.
All the damages you are mentioning are also in common areas of the house - we should not be held liable for something someone else may have done.
The carpet WAS a solid piece, and I already posted pics of it... We did NOT give you permission to patch anything and the "patched" spot is NOT a patch... It is STILL ATTACHED to the floor... It's a piece of carpet that is CUT, not PATCHED... And please explain to me why an approx. 5" square piece would need a foot long patch anyway if that was the situation?? The only spot on the carpet that we had ever talked about patching was the spot in MY snake room where a hole was burned in my carpet... We had talked about how to fix it and Corey had suggested a patch... But we never patched it, just left it there... The "patch" in question is in the room y'all were using for your snakes and the huge cut out piece was in your snake room closet


Also, your house was not new when you moved in. It did have previous owners and was at least a few years old when you moved in.
The only damage I partially agree on is the carpet in front of the bedroom door, Koda was the one who started that - trying to get in at night, or while we were eating.
The house was built in 2005, yes, and yes, it had a previous owner, but you know what happened with the house because we told you... EVERYTHING in the house had been replaced, repainted and was brand new... And you never told me about Koda digging at your door... If you had, I wouldn't have even brought up the fraying on that door




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A feed order of $472.75, with us paying at least $380 of is not even close to 50/50. We didn't say anything when you fed our live chick we were planning raising up for a bit to one of your animals. Not to mention we keep detailed inventory of our feed items. I also made it VERY clear before I ordered the feeders that I needed the bulk of them, you only contributed $100 cash for them, given to me at the NARBC expo before I picked up the food. I let you in on this order as a courtesy because you said you needed some food. I paid $80 cash that day, with the rest going through paypal.

We paid more than that, but it was cash so obviously I don't have a paypal receipt... And you paid that much up front because you couldn't afford anymore and I paid you our half in cash... You had a couple more packs than I did, yes... But we still split that order at least 60-40 with myself having mostly the larger rats


Interesting you need our money to pay off your credit card debit, yet you are purchasing more animals and can afford a pricey toy for your car.
We don't NEED it to pay off the credit card... We charged the bills to our credit card that you were suppose to pay us and in turn we pay off that credit card charge... I don't see what it matter what I spend my money on since I can afford to comfortably... YOU owe us money, period.


About the turtles, did you ever get the pond going? We would like the tank, stand, pumps, filter, and the air filter back. You can continue to enjoy the paper shredder and commander remote control - you will get more use out of them than us.
No, I did not get the pond going yet... Your filter broke before y'all left, you knew this... I had to vacuum out that tank weekly and it stunk up the house... A friend took it and washed it out, if you want it, I can give you her contact info as I do not have a truck

We would also like the rock pictured here with kinky

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Take the rock... I don't know why you didn't before you left?? I could care less about a rock, LOL


I think the bills are the only issue here. If you return the above property, and agree to the timeframe we have provided, we can come to terms for 'rent'. This is to include only the utilities we agreed to pay, minus the $75 you sold the bowfront aquarium for.
$897 is the amount owed... As soon as I get that amount of money, then we will be happy and drop the conversation... I could care less about your little rock or tank... Take them... I don't know why you didn't already other than the fact you don't want to pay what you owe...




The photo is legitimate. We came home one night to find ourselves locked out for the first time ever. This was the day of or after we had informed them we had signed a lease. Almost every light in the house was on and you could hear all kinds of frantic actions. I can think of one reason for this, but will not mention it.
Three to five minutes later they unlocked the door and let us in. They were acting somewhat odd... The next day we went to check our animals. One was missing... We looked very thoroughly in the snake room (ours), bedroom, bathroom, washroom, next room was their snakeroom. And for the first time ever the door was locked.
This can be done accidentally, so we didn't think anything of it at the moment. Since this was (until now) a common area, we unlocked the door. After searching under and behind everything, we started checking every bin. Eventually we found our animal in with a new acquisition of Ashley's. The bin also did not have a water bowl for whatever reason.
We decided to leave the animal there for the moment. We then decided to reserve a truck for the next morning and get everything out, and document our findings.

Exif data shows the picture was taken on May 5th around 9pm.
The photo is not legit... you may have taken a photo of your boa in my snake room, but we did not place that animal there... And yes, we did start keeping the snake room locked, and we STILL DO... If you remember, I had started dealing with a custody battle with my mother and the snakes were a big issue with her, so we started keeping the snake room door locked to get in the habit for when my son moved down and that my mother could not use it against me... Also we were trying to make sure everything was straight so that I could take pics and send them to my lawyer as proof... And our snake room was NOT a common area... the only times that we asked you to go in there was if I was not home, like when I went up to PA to visit my son so that you could insure that everyone was good... None of your animals were in that room after Ruby passed away and Moose was no longer in there breeding her and the only thing I can think of that you may have needed in there was feeding tongs, which was fine, but that wasn't a room that was a common area... Those were our animals only...



Although this room did not house any of our animals, it was until the last few days, a communal area, we frequently checked on and tended to their animals. Never was that room a place for our animals.
The only times you tended to our animals were in December while we were in Florida and April when I was in PA...


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I find it very coincidental that this animal was our smallest and highest valued animal. It magically escapes a bin that requires two hands to remove, slithers to another room, climbs up three bins and squeezes itself into a closed bin in the middle of a stack, with no water, heat and a roommate.
I also think it is interesting that none of our animals have 'escaped' since we moved here, like they frequently did while living with you.
Ok, so it's not $300, lol... But still not that expensive of an animal and if I wanted one I would buy one... And I would buy one that is, IMO, a better looking jungle... Yes, he has some nice color, but I like highly aberrant jungles... Highest valued? I doubt that... What about your skinny hypo arab het snow or your suris or several others that are valued at more than a little poss het albino hypo jungle, lol... And how about you post the video? Where you pretend to unlock the door of our snake room with a knife, which isn't possible to do with this type of lock, go in and go directly to the bin that he was "hidden in"... Obviously it was staged... The only other animal that escaped while here was your rainbow boa and it was because you hadn't closed the bin properly... and she was found cruising in the front room by Kinky's cage a couple days later...


You can't breed rats without the smell - even changing the bedding every three days. The rats were inside for a short period of time, most of the time they were in the garage and eventually outside along with the rabbits. The rats and rabbits you did not feed or water daily, fyi after we got the rabbits here, three of them died that day from starvation, dehydration and possibly stress from moving.
Those rabbits were fed, watered and cared for... YOU did most of the care for the rodents, so if any died it was your fault, not mine... And the rats didn't stink when Corey changed the bedding every week... it was when it went a couple weeks without changing that it got disgusting and made my house smell like ammonia... I didn't care about the smell once they moved to the garage and then outside...


The caging we have is adequate for all of our animals at present and in the future, we were speaking long term future. All of our animals are well cared for, healthy and frequently handled.
I don't see keeping a 10ft retic in a 4ft cage proper caging... maybe it's just me... or larger female boas in 71qt bins... You may have moved them around a little bit now, but still... It may be "OK" by you, but I prefer to allow my animals some roam room and room to stretch out better...


There is no disagreement on the fact we stayed there and have outstanding debt in regards to this, the dates and damages are up for dispute.
Ok, so it's agreed that you owe us at least the $897 in bills... So pay us what you at least you admit you owe us... Most of the damages are now fixed anyway other than the carpet...

When Koda attacked my husband twice in one day and destroyed his 'PT' pants, we did not ask you to replace them, things happen - and we move on. We also didn't say anything when you offered up a barely weaned finch to kaylee, which she fatally injured.
Would you like a pair of PT shorts? We have several if it's that big a deal... And I didn't "offer" a finch to the cat... The bird flew around, like several birds had done before and she saw it and grabbed it before Corey or I could
 
Oh and since I was asking for evidence, it's only fair I post mine for the "welfare" statement on FB:

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What does it matter???? Please tell me that, LOL! Personally, I think it's nice to be able to get what we can... We have both put in our time in the military, Ryan is still in, and I see NO problem with getting WIC if you can *shrug*... IMO, you are stupid if you don't take advantage of programs that are out there if you can
 
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Who did she say supposably say this to?? Unless you have those PMs, or the mods show up to provide them, it's just more hearsay on your part.
The member wishes to be unknown, but I can block out their info and screen shot the PM if you REALLY would like

Yvonne HAS her snake, so obviously no ACTUAL theft occurred, and no harm was done with the snake, so I think that bit of drama can be laid to rest. The only person I've heard even bring up that accusation is Ashley herself.
She brought it up in her for sale thread that has since been deleted by her

Obviously we ALL want to know if we are dealing with a potential scammer, but without some more concrete proof, it's just petty drama, and best left off the BOI.

So far, the only proof shows Yvonne paid you $300 towards a $472 feed bill.
She's not disputing she owes money, but apparently the amount is disagreed, and it should be taken into consideration that some things are still in Ashley's possession, or have been sold by Ashley.
If she is not disputing that she owes me money, then I have to wonder why it hasn't been paid... The date they started living here doesn't even matter in this case considering it was spring time bills that are in question... and she is more than welcome to come get her stuff that SHE left here... And I expect a check for the amount owed to us when she does...


If you have money for all this other stuff for your car, and more snakes, why are you trying to get welfare? That almost makes you look like you are looking for a free ride on someone else's dime, IMO.
If you can use a program based off of income and you qualify, why not? Would you not do the same? It's not a "free ride" it's a few free items of food a month that are specified through the program such as milk, cheese, eggs, bread...

What you do with your money is your business, just because you have more/less doesn't give people the right to take advantage of you.

HOWEVER, it sheds a questionable light on your character that you, who "needs the money for credit card debt" is out spending all this money on other things while hitting up the government for a free ride.
The credit card has long been paid off for what they owe us... But they STILL OWE US for what we charged to it for the bills they were suppose to pay us for... They owe us, PERIOD
 
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