Good Guy "Eric Ivins" of "South Central Herpetological", extremely impressed.

[camaro3800series2]

A reptile expert since 2004 has never heard of a cloacal swab procedure? Perhaps the issue may have been a bacterial infection, possibly stress-aggrevated. Had you shown any interest in actively finding out, there were diagnostic options that would have been available.

Your husbandry was fairly laughable, as was your acclimation period. You went out of your way to state that it was starting to trust you. That very strongly implies that you absolutely disregarded the need for an adjustment period, and handled it multiple times. So how about you stop trying to hide behind the pretense that you actually put any effort into letting it acclimate:


Another thing that crossed my mind: Since the enclosure was seemingly just thrown together in a big rush, there may be more environmental causes, aside from poor husbandry. Did you use water sealer on the wood, caulk in the joints? Give the paint time to thoroughly dry? Since you were apparently in a big hurry to get it into a huge box, I find myself wondering if maybe there were harmful chemicals and fumes that it came in direct contact with.

never said I was a reptile expert, just that I have kept reptile since 2004. And no I've never heard of a cloacal swab. I handled the monitor the first day I had it like I've done with all my monitors. You kinda have to to put it in it's enclosure. Either way he did not come into any contact with any fumes. I lined the inside of the enclosure with vinyl tiles and sealed the edges with caulk which I gave proper time to dry. Also, I rinsed my bath tub out thoroughly before putting him in there.

 

[camaro3800series2]

DON'T BUY ANY MORE ANIMALS THROCKMORTON! Noob! You freak me out with every post!

Your use of all caps suggests to me you're still a little adolescent punk kid or either a 20-something year old virgin..more than likely the 2nd one. I don't think the word Noob can be used when it comes to owning reptiles. I've owned and bred about 30 different kind of reptiles. From Chameleons, geckos, monitors, Agamids, Tortoises to Pythons to Boas to even a venomous wild caught Eastern Diamondback. All of which did perfectly fine in my care. So you sir must be the Noob.

 

[Lucille]

Kevin, come on, be a little bit more courteous. Some of the stuff you say is not called for, this is a business forum.

 

[ronritzer]

I have a corn dog warmer I got from a gas station, it keeps corn dogs hot with a 100 watt bulb. I wonder what kind wattage of incandescent cooked that monitor to death just three inches above its head.

 

[camaro3800series2]

Kevin, come on, be a little bit more courteous. Some of the stuff you say is not called for, this is a business forum.

So Tom's post wasn't uncalled for? Yeah just keep attacking the guy that got the 18" hatchling savannah that was sick and full of parasites. Everyone says I should have done this and that as far as his health goes..how about Eric should stop selling animals to people that are sick?

 

[camaro3800series2]

I have a corn dog warmer I got from a gas station, it keeps corn dogs hot with a 100 watt bulb. I wonder what kind wattage of incandescent cooked that monitor to death just three inches above its head.

That incandescent bulb is only 60W..and if you knew anything those bulbs are perfectly fine for providing heat. And the bulb was 7" above his basking spot, the basking spot had different levels he could have rested on and he had a cool part of the cage. You must assume a savannah is just as dumb as an Agamid when there are studies that show they are quite a bit smarter. The type of bulb used doesn't matter as long as the temps were 120*. Owned.

 

[Fangthane]

I handled the monitor the first day I had it like I've done with all my monitors. You kinda have to to put it in it's enclosure. Either way he did not come into any contact with any fumes. I lined the inside of the enclosure with vinyl tiles and sealed the edges with caulk which I gave proper time to dry. Also, I rinsed my bath tub out thoroughly before putting him in there.

It's very easy for you to make those claims, as you've been very quick to claim from the beginning that you've done nothing wrong. Sadly, what you say, and what actually is, don't seem to jive very often. Your own words and pictures clearly show this to be true.

Apparently just picking it up long enough to sit in an enclosure is enough interaction for you to feel comfortable enough to make this claim:

He is taking to handling better than I thought and I feel like hes starting to trust me some

I'm not buying it. Pretty hard to take anything you say very seriously. Unfortunately, after your various self-serving exaggerations, along with a bit of flip-flopping, you have zero credibility.

As long as it still offered the path of least resistance, you were happy with the monitor, despite it's size. Once you found that it'd take some effort to bring it around, you were quick to want to just dump it on a reptile rescue. You've hidden behind several conflicting excuses: You couldn't afford medical care. Oddly enough, you didn't seem to have trouble coughing up the cash to buy another monitor, though. You couldn't find a vet that dealt with exotics. You couldn't get a fecal sample. Etc.

So Tom's post wasn't uncalled for? Yeah just keep attacking the guy that got the 18" hatchling savannah that was sick and full of parasites. Everyone says I should have done this and that as far as his health goes..how about Eric should stop selling animals to people that are sick?

Since you didn't seem to really give a damn about it, and decided to rationalize your choice to not get medical attention, you've lost your chance to righteously make the claim that it was sick from the start. Everything you post makes you come across as someone who just wanted something pretty to look at, that didn't require much effort. You've accepted none of the responsibility for the animal's death. Based on your shown practices, there's not much reason to think that you'd have done any better with a hatchling.

 

[EricIvins]

Here is the refund I never sent.......

I do find it suspect that the animal did not have a sunk in tail, eyes, stomach, etc even in the death picture. All of which would be indicative of a un-healthy animal. The fact that it was regurgitating and spinning could mean that this could have been environmental in nature.

If you really think I make any kind of money with my shipping rates, think again. Look up the Fedex retail rates, or better yet do a quote with the same size box and route through SYR. I get a volume discount with my Fedex account, but I bring that savings to my customers. The box costs around $3 in itself, the bag the animal was shipped in is $1.25, etc. I eat those costs, not to mention the transaction fees from Paypal, so by the time it's all said and done, I made a total $8 and some change by selling you this Monitor. I have no incentive to sell anyone an un-healthy Monitor, make a measely $8 profit, just for this kind of headache in the end. Matter of fact, the only reason I even mess with the typical Pet store type stuff is because it helps me support a large collection of Chelonians that I cannot mass produce. Untill that collection is self sustaining, I guess I have to tolerate these situations. I shipped 3 Savannahs that day, and this was the only transaction that had issues. I do not mind working with customers that are having problems, as long as they are receptive to constructive criticism on their husbandry. Solving the problem instead of jumping to conclusions or making accusations. NOBODYS husbandry is perfect. Mine isn't, but I know enough to listen and learn from other keepers if I do have issues. This is what keeps this hobby fluid, otherwise we'd be back in the dark ages.......


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[camaro3800series2]

Here is the refund I never sent.......

I do find it suspect that the animal did not have a sunk in tail, eyes, stomach, etc even in the death picture. All of which would be indicative of a un-healthy animal. The fact that it was regurgitating and spinning could mean that this could have been environmental in nature.

If you really think I make any kind of money with my shipping rates, think again. Look up the Fedex retail rates, or better yet do a quote with the same size box and route through SYR. I get a volume discount with my Fedex account, but I bring that savings to my customers. The box costs around $3 in itself, the bag the animal was shipped in is $1.25, etc. I eat those costs, not to mention the transaction fees from Paypal, so by the time it's all said and done, I made a total $8 and some change by selling you this Monitor. I have no incentive to sell anyone an un-healthy Monitor, make a measely $8 profit, just for this kind of headache in the end. Matter of fact, the only reason I even mess with the typical Pet store type stuff is because it helps me support a large collection of Chelonians that I cannot mass produce. Untill that collection is self sustaining, I guess I have to tolerate these situations. I shipped 3 Savannahs that day, and this was the only transaction that had issues. I do not mind working with customers that are having problems, as long as they are receptive to constructive criticism on their husbandry. Solving the problem instead of jumping to conclusions or making accusations. NOBODYS husbandry is perfect. Mine isn't, but I know enough to listen and learn from other keepers if I do have issues. This is what keeps this hobby fluid, otherwise we'd be back in the dark ages.......


Sent to:
Trisha Fleenor
Email:
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Total amount:
-$22.00 USD
Fee amount:
$0.63 USD
Net amount:
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Date:
Oct 5, 2012
Time:
13:03:29 PDT
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Pending until Thursday, October 11, 2012 What's this?Your refund will be pending for 3-5 business days until it clears.

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The animal should have lasted more than 2 weeks and you know that. Even with wrong substrate, enclosure, lack of UVB (eventhough I was trying to supplement it with dusted crickets/dubias) doesn't negate the fact the monitor arrived to me wrong size and doomed from the start. Eric knows I didn't handle the monitor except for that very first day because I kept him updated with emails almost every other day during this 2 week ordeal. The only time I even went close to the cage was to make sure he was Ok and to check temps/humidty and also mist it if the humidity was dropping. About a week into him not eating I removed 2 of the hide because the crickets and dubias were hiding in them as well. This monitor should have eventually ate, stressed or not. I know if I plucked up from my house and tossed into a different location, I'm going to eventually eat whats offered to me...unless I'm sick, like this monitor was.

 

[camaro3800series2]

Also, I do appreciate the partial refund but since you shipped me a monitor that 3x bigger than expected and the fact that it died in 2 weeks with crickets, dubias and water at his disposal, I feel that a full refund should be given. Or atleast ship me the hatchling that was expected.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

Also, I do appreciate the partial refund but since you shipped me a monitor that 3x bigger than expected and the fact that it died in 2 weeks with crickets, dubias and water at his disposal, I feel that a full refund should be given. Or atleast ship me the hatchling that was expected.

Why should you feel your entitled to full refund. Shipping costs money to get animal to you. Which was paid and gone once label was printed. Its the norm to not refund shipping unless snake arrives DOA and its shippers Fauly!

 

[camaro3800series2]

And I would like to know why a hatchling was listed on your ad and I received a monitor that was 18" long? why not tell people what they are getting from the start.

His eyes only began to sink in the day he died.

 

[camaro3800series2]

Why should you feel your entitled to full refund. Shipping costs money to get animal to you. Which was paid and gone once label was printed. Its the norm to not refund shipping unless snake arrives DOA and its shippers Fauly!

You should shut your mouth Rich, this is between me and eric now.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

You should shut your mouth Rich, this is between me and eric now.

Wanna Make me, This is between all of us with your Disrespectful comments and disregard to animal welfare. And you bring your problems here, either take the replies from the community or shut it up and keep it private

 

[Bill T]

Eric is a stand up guy I have no doubt he tried to assist you in every way possible, You received a refund now listen to what others have said and learn from this so that your new monitor can thrive.

You stated you had hatchlings before do you still have them?

 

[EricIvins]

Also, I do appreciate the partial refund but since you shipped me a monitor that 3x bigger than expected and the fact that it died in 2 weeks with crickets, dubias and water at his disposal, I feel that a full refund should be given. Or atleast ship me the hatchling that was expected.

Fedex did their job. The animal arrived on time with no issues. I'm not going to send a replacement just to have the same situation happen again. It is not an option at this point. I apologize if you do not agree, but given the situation, I think that is best for everyone involved.......

 

[camaro3800series2]

Wanna Make me, This is between all of us with your Disrespectful comments and disregard to animal welfare. And you bring your problems here, either take the replies from the community or shut it up and keep it private

I have no doubt in my mind I could make you, I'll meet you half way if you'd like to? and the only time I've been disrespectful is when people like you throw in your unhelpful disrespectful comments in the first place.

 

[camaro3800series2]

Fedex did their job. The animal arrived on time with no issues. I'm not going to send a replacement just to have the same situation happen again. It is not an option at this point. I apologize if you do not agree, but given the situation, I think that is best for everyone involved.......

you should have sent me a hatchling like the ad said. period. If I had received a hatchling in the first place like I wanted it would not have ended this way.

 

[camaro3800series2]

Eric is a stand up guy I have no doubt he tried to assist you in every way possible, You received a refund now listen to what others have said and learn from this so that your new monitor can thrive.

You stated you had hatchlings before do you still have them?

I traded my Savannahs for an Argentine Tegu to a friend that was having trouble taming down his tegu. I handled my Savannahs every day with no acclimation period and they thrived for about 11 months. They were a little over 2ft when I traded them and would eat from hand, craved my attention, and walked on a harness like a puppy.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

I have no doubt in my mind I could make you, I'll meet you half way if you'd like to? and the only time I've been disrespectful is when people like you throw in your unhelpful disrespectful comments in the first place.

Thanks for that, best comment all day