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Info Ben Siegel Reptiles

I have won quite a few auctions, and all of the animals I've received from Ben have been in awesome condition and are doing great.

If I had gotten an injured snake like Candace did and was offered auction credit, I'd still find that a great deal even if I planned on never doing one of Seigel's FB auctions again (like that's gonna happen).

Also, if you go to a lot of these companies nowadays, many of them will only give you store credit and take the item back. So getting to keep the snake and have auction credit is even better.

Ben, it saddens me that you did refund her money after all this BS she's put you through. But it just goes to show that you're not such a jerk after all :p
 
Well lets see, we have animals from Graziani and a few other high end breeders. The animals we have from Ben are in no way of lesser quality . We have also bought some of his fresh imports years ago. They have turned into stunning snakes . Is that what your suggesting ? That he sells imports ?

How can you state he sells "hundreds" of sub-par animals ? Thousands of happy buyers are lying ?

The animals speak for themselves, as does Candace's artwork/jewelery.

I will still continue to do business with Candace regardless of this thread. Her quality of artwork is amazing, and the fact that she had a negative experience with her transaction has nothing to do with that.

For pete's sake, she never said he was the devil. The girl shared her experience that she felt was unsatifactory. That was all.

Just a side note. If I were so 100% sure of myself and set on the fact that I was in no way wrong about how I handled a situation with a client, the last thing I would do is go ahead, after all this, and give them a full refund out of the blue. To me, that is quite the admission of guilt. Just saying.
 
WRONG---not anyway an admission of guilt---I DID NOT WANT HER MONEY---PERIOD. I do not think I had to refund.
Admission of guilt? Hell yeah!!! we admitted we wrong from the get go!!! What is your deal? You basically accuse us of sending out hundreds of subpar animals? Are you kidding? We send out 1000s of a grade animals. Its obvious you are friendly with Candace which is fine--loyalty is a noble character trait, but dont be blind either. She was wrong-she handled herself completely inappropriately in this situation in just about every step of the way.
 
Just a side note. If I were so 100% sure of myself and set on the fact that I was in no way wrong about how I handled a situation with a client, the last thing I would do is go ahead, after all this, and give them a full refund out of the blue. To me, that is quite the admission of guilt. Just saying.

You know refunding after a customer complains is actually common policy with a lot of big businesses and not an admission of guilt. Working in retail, I have found that customers who complain the most will get what they want. Sure, company policy says one thing, but manager's will often go against the policies to get an annoying customer to shut up and leave, writing it up as a "customer care" factor. I myself have had to go out of my way to resolve an issue with a customer, even if the whole time I just wanted to deck them, as eventually if they don't leave at least somewhat satisfied they'll do something worse than yelling at the manager (like calling corporate). Even though I think he shouldn't have given that refund, in the end doing so would hopefully prevent Candace from taking it up a notch and doing something even worse than posting on BOI.
 
The animals speak for themselves, as does Candace's artwork/jewelery.

I will still continue to do business with Candace regardless of this thread. Her quality of artwork is amazing, and the fact that she had a negative experience with her transaction has nothing to do with that.

For pete's sake, she never said he was the devil. The girl shared her experience that she felt was unsatifactory. That was all.

Just a side note. If I were so 100% sure of myself and set on the fact that I was in no way wrong about how I handled a situation with a client, the last thing I would do is go ahead, after all this, and give them a full refund out of the blue. To me, that is quite the admission of guilt. Just saying.

She did a little more then share her experience don't you think ? You act like shes the poor little victim and said nothing inappropriate.

And just how many of his animals have you had the pleasure of personally inspecting ? I'd just like to know how you can make such a drastic blanket statement about the quality of his animals ?

Ben was wrong. He sent out an animal with a defect. It can happen to anyone. The fact that he stood behind the product and offered her several options shows he's a good business man. He even went beyond what was written just to make her happy. More then most sellers would have done.
 
The animals speak for themselves, as does Candace's artwork/jewelery.

I will still continue to do business with Candace regardless of this thread. Her quality of artwork is amazing, and the fact that she had a negative experience with her transaction has nothing to do with that.

For pete's sake, she never said he was the devil. The girl shared her experience that she felt was unsatifactory. That was all.

Just a side note. If I were so 100% sure of myself and set on the fact that I was in no way wrong about how I handled a situation with a client, the last thing I would do is go ahead, after all this, and give them a full refund out of the blue. To me, that is quite the admission of guilt. Just saying.

I understand that you are trying to be unbiased and give fair representation to the OP. But one thing I haven't heard from you is what you would have preferred Ben done differently. What would have had to be different about this story in order for you to agree that the OP was offered every chance for compensation in a fair manner? I feel like as a last resort to please the customer, Ben totally refunded her rather than risk anybody not reviewing the full case and coming to the conclusion that he did nothing wrong. I feel that he was covering his back even though a possible customer should come to that conclusion if they responsibly read through this whole situation. Because if they're just going to zip to the end of the thread looking to see the resolution, then at least he has fully refunded so they will see this. Otherwise he risks the OP spreading things about him that are overly biased in her favor. At least now she has to admit that she was fully refunded. So when you say you feel like a full refund is like an admission of guilt... honestly what do you want from this guy? It sounds like nothing would make you happy. First you condemn his not fully refunding her and allowing her to keep the snake (which is what she was after) and then you condemn him for giving it to her as a last resort even though he is completely breaking his terms of service (and most any breeder's terms) in doing so? I just don't get it.
 
Ben Seagul

Ben, I wouldn't waste anymore time on this transaction it's obvious your not going to make her happy. My wife and I have dealt with customers like her and your spinning your wheels.

As far as how Ben handled a purchase with us several years ago where we had a problem with some green tree pythons he give us a full refund. I wouldn't hesitate to do business with Ben again.

Tad Fitzgerald
 
It has taken me hours to read all of this and after reading the first post I was shocked. I saw some of Ben's stuff at a show and was FASCINATED by his tables. I have gone to pick up snakes from other breeders and they have sang NOTHING but praises about Ben and his auctions...

To sum up my perspective of the whole situation:

Yes the animal was injured and shouldn't have been shipped. But after ready Ben's responses and realizing it had only bee ONE day and all of this was taking place with her complaints, that is UNPROFESSIONAL... slandering someone on FB and offering to give their information is pretty crappy too. He gave several options to resolve the issue and if I was offered auction bucks then I'd have been happy.. its like getting 2 for 1. BOGO!

I feel like the OP could have just made it as an info thread and not have slandered Ben as unprofessional... I'm not sure which line of work she does but where I work, if the owner or boss is unavailable and we tell the customer he should be back in an hour or two and he doesnt show up, it happens. All businesses run differently and if he was busy with ANOTHER customer it would be rude for him to step away from that customer to help someone else as well. The texting? yea not so professional but sometimes I like texting so that there is PROOF in writing of the conversation... I personally prefer E-mail and hate talking on the phone.

In closing, I would not hesitate at all to EVER buy anything from Ben and am looking forward to maybe finding something in the auction that we may be interested in. I read the terms of the auction and am so totally comfortable with it...

Ben you are a stand up guy for doing what you did and making the offers you did to appease the unhappy customer... sometimes customers like to bitch to get something for free... we deal with those people here and we just void their bills and put them on our "do not service" list... nothing more you can do.
 
Ben's a stand up guy point blank... I can see were both parties are comming from Ben's policy's a clearly stated. However his offer after hearing and seeing the pic's of the snake are reasonable without a doubt. But they were declined... Almost as if she wanted the attention the way she went about it. Ben move's alot of animals on a daily basis, still even he admit's the animal in question shouldn't of been shipped period...
After all of this I can see why Ben said **** ** and gave the Op her money back
My partner and I have ordered many animals from Ben and have alway's been satisfied with the way Ben's handled are transactions.
However we have not ran into any problem's with Ben, But if one should occur I know I could rest at ease knowing Ben would try and make thing's right.
 
awesome experience

We have won a couple dozen auctions over the last couple of months from BSR and have absolutely ZERO dissatisfaction with any of our transactions. Everything we have purchased from BSR has arrived in excellent condition and always early in the morning. The people at BSR, especially Josie, have been nothing but pleasant and helpful. They have declined to sell us a female Blood because she hasn't eaten to their satisfaction. They have banked auctions and shipped several together to make it more economical. The only "damaged" creature we have received was described as missing tail tip in the auction, lizard of course. I will continue to purchase from BSR auctions because you always get an excellent deal on quality animals. When I go visit my parents next month I plan on visiting the store. BSR has gone out of their way to use social networking to make themselves accessible to a much larger public than just a store would allow. I think Candace was looking to get something for nothing and I hope BSR has banned her from future auctions. I will continue to do business with and recommend BSR to my friends and fellow herpers.
:thumbsup::thumbsup: to BSR
 
I would like to take a moment to say thank you to Ben. I woke up this morning to find that a full refund had been put into my account, it was not asked for but I appreciate it, that money will go towards bills. I would have been happy had you kept it but being as you don’t want my money anyway, I’m not going to argue with it. I would also like to thank Clay Tromblay for messaging me on my facebook page and calling me a greedy cunt. That was a lovely compliment and I appreciated it, here is the copy and paste of it:

4 hours ago
Clay Tromblay
Greedy cunt.


I would also like to note that I am very sorry for the way things went down, had Ben called me from the get go instead of having his wife text me LIKE I WAS TOLD HE WAS GOING TO, none of this would have happened. I never asked for a full refund, it was offered, I only asked for an actual refund instead of auction credit because I didn’t really want another animal but seeing as that was misunderstood and has been blown way out of proportion there is nothing more I can really do about it now. I would have been fine with a partial paypal refund but that was never offered, only mentioned when Ben finally decided he was going to pick up the phone and speak to me in person.
And Ben, this was not intended to be a bad guy thread; I posted it as an info page to tell what had happened. People may read it and form their own opinions as they please. The bottom line now is that I received an injured animal, called the store immediately after un-boxing the animal to notify you, I was told you would call me to get a resolution when you got to the store, got a text saying about a full refund in auction credit, I didn’t want another snake at this time as I do not have unlimited room or resources to just keep adding and adding to my collection and because I don’t like having money sitting around I asked if it was possible to do a paypal refund and was told no flatout. After that the mess ensued because things got misinterpreted and misunderstood in TEXTS. The only reason I texted those pictures is because it was faster for me to get the pictures to you that way. It was never said that I wanted a text back; I was told I would get a phone call back. Never have I yet said a bad thing about you or your company, I simply told everyone what occurred yesterday because I thought it was unfair and very unprofessionally handled. The fact that you upset me so bad on the phone that I was in tears just added to it and the fact that you clearly don’t care about that at all just shows you’re true character. No, I never wanted a full refund, nor did I expect one. I never asked for one, I called maybe thinking I would get a partial, half of my money back, maybe? No, I didn’t want the issue to go down the road it did but we can’t go back and change it now. Had you picked up the phone and called me when you first found out about the issue, none of this would have happened. Thank you again for refunding me my money but you did not have to.
 
um yes you did---you asked for a refund in the text you sent-I posted it up on this thread. --LISTEN CANDACE--you were out of line--plain and simple---I can understand people having bad days---at this point the only thing that you should be doing is apologizing. Seriously---you texted me and asked for a refund---then you threatened a charge back-----SO WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? AND PLEASE--I TRIED TO CALL YOU SEVERAL TIMES--you wouldnt answer--you were too busy writing comments up on your fb thread that you already deleted. And please give me a break that this was not meant to be a bad guy thread and what phone conversation were you on?? You werent even talking? I sat there asking you are ok---It was just strange. Whatever--I have put way too much effort into this. You know you were wrong --you know how this whole thing played out and for whatever reason you decided to basically attack my company publicly. You know what you wrote up on that first thread, and alot of people saw it on here before you took it down.
 
Hey Ben, did you ever think the reason I wasn't responding to you when you were talking is because I was crying? Did that ever cross your mind? And you only tried to call me twice, once from the store phone and then from Stacy's phone about two minuets later which I did answer. And no I never asked for a full refund, the text you posted was in response to the fact that I was told I had to use the "refund you offered" as auction credit. I would have been fine had you offered to refund me $40 to comp for the injury because I don't want another animal right now, and not from anyone, not just you. It's $40, you seriously couldn't even have made an exception for that? The only reason I deleted the post from facebook was because you upset me so bad on the phone and I didn't want to deal with it anymore, I never read any of the comments from people defending you, way to put words in my mouth. And no this was not and is not now meant to be a bad guy thread. you sent me the money back, I was fine with letting you keep it. i never said you were trying to scam me nor was i ever trying to scam you. I never wanted a snake for free, all I wanted was compensation for the animal being injured and not in the form of me acquiring another animal. This is not how I like to do business, nor how I run business normally. people can form their own opinions from this, that's why I posted it. I was and still am flat out appalled that it came to this
 
I would like to take a moment to say thank you to Ben. I woke up this morning to find that a full refund had been put into my account, it was not asked for but I appreciate it, that money will go towards bills. I would have been happy had you kept it but being as you don’t want my money anyway, I’m not going to argue with it. I would also like to thank Clay Tromblay for messaging me on my facebook page and calling me a greedy cunt. That was a lovely compliment and I appreciated it, here is the copy and paste of it:

4 hours ago
Clay Tromblay
Greedy cunt.


I would also like to note that I am very sorry for the way things went down, had Ben called me from the get go instead of having his wife text me LIKE I WAS TOLD HE WAS GOING TO, none of this would have happened. I never asked for a full refund, it was offered, I only asked for an actual refund instead of auction credit because I didn’t really want another animal but seeing as that was misunderstood and has been blown way out of proportion there is nothing more I can really do about it now. I would have been fine with a partial paypal refund but that was never offered, only mentioned when Ben finally decided he was going to pick up the phone and speak to me in person.
And Ben, this was not intended to be a bad guy thread; I posted it as an info page to tell what had happened. People may read it and form their own opinions as they please. The bottom line now is that I received an injured animal, called the store immediately after un-boxing the animal to notify you, I was told you would call me to get a resolution when you got to the store, got a text saying about a full refund in auction credit, I didn’t want another snake at this time as I do not have unlimited room or resources to just keep adding and adding to my collection and because I don’t like having money sitting around I asked if it was possible to do a paypal refund and was told no flatout. After that the mess ensued because things got misinterpreted and misunderstood in TEXTS. The only reason I texted those pictures is because it was faster for me to get the pictures to you that way. It was never said that I wanted a text back; I was told I would get a phone call back. Never have I yet said a bad thing about you or your company, I simply told everyone what occurred yesterday because I thought it was unfair and very unprofessionally handled. The fact that you upset me so bad on the phone that I was in tears just added to it and the fact that you clearly don’t care about that at all just shows you’re true character. No, I never wanted a full refund, nor did I expect one. I never asked for one, I called maybe thinking I would get a partial, half of my money back, maybe? No, I didn’t want the issue to go down the road it did but we can’t go back and change it now. Had you picked up the phone and called me when you first found out about the issue, none of this would have happened. Thank you again for refunding me my money but you did not have to.

If you truly never wanted a full refund and only a partial and keep the animal then refund part of it back to Ben .
You have the animal in your possession . Ben in good faith refunded you in full even though he didnt have to and you claim to not want it.

There is no way in hell I would buy an animal "even with a minor defect" and then want my money back as well. The world just doesn't work that way and doing things like that will turn out very poorly in the end when you least expect it.

If you truly just wanted to post about your transaction then fine,you did. You now have your snake and you can now refund Ben back the portion of the payment you think is fair .
 
I would like to take a moment to say thank you to Ben. I woke up this morning to find that a full refund had been put into my account, it was not asked for but I appreciate it, that money will go towards bills. I would have been happy had you kept it but being as you don’t want my money anyway, I’m not going to argue with it. I would also like to thank Clay Tromblay for messaging me on my facebook page and calling me a greedy ****. That was a lovely compliment and I appreciated it, here is the copy and paste of it:



I would also like to note that I am very sorry for the way things went down, had Ben called me from the get go instead of having his wife text me LIKE I WAS TOLD HE WAS GOING TO, none of this would have happened. I never asked for a full refund, it was offered, I only asked for an actual refund instead of auction credit because I didn’t really want another animal but seeing as that was misunderstood and has been blown way out of proportion there is nothing more I can really do about it now. I would have been fine with a partial paypal refund but that was never offered, only mentioned when Ben finally decided he was going to pick up the phone and speak to me in person.
And Ben, this was not intended to be a bad guy thread; I posted it as an info page to tell what had happened. People may read it and form their own opinions as they please. The bottom line now is that I received an injured animal, called the store immediately after un-boxing the animal to notify you, I was told you would call me to get a resolution when you got to the store, got a text saying about a full refund in auction credit, I didn’t want another snake at this time as I do not have unlimited room or resources to just keep adding and adding to my collection and because I don’t like having money sitting around I asked if it was possible to do a paypal refund and was told no flatout. After that the mess ensued because things got misinterpreted and misunderstood in TEXTS. The only reason I texted those pictures is because it was faster for me to get the pictures to you that way. It was never said that I wanted a text back; I was told I would get a phone call back. Never have I yet said a bad thing about you or your company, I simply told everyone what occurred yesterday because I thought it was unfair and very unprofessionally handled. The fact that you upset me so bad on the phone that I was in tears just added to it and the fact that you clearly don’t care about that at all just shows you’re true character. No, I never wanted a full refund, nor did I expect one. I never asked for one, I called maybe thinking I would get a partial, half of my money back, maybe? No, I didn’t want the issue to go down the road it did but we can’t go back and change it now. Had you picked up the phone and called me when you first found out about the issue, none of this would have happened. Thank you again for refunding me my money but you did not have to.

No, I'm sorry. You were offered a full refund and to return the snake. That's all that really matters. When it counted the seller offered a full refund and provided a shipping label. You wanted cash back and to keep the snake. Regardless if it was partial or full. Why do you get to dictate this?

If you buy ANYTHING and I mean anything and it is defective you return the item for a full refund don't you? You don't negotiate the value of a defective product to keep it and get funds back. Sure, In this industry its common that a seller and a buyer negotiate such and it usually is more convenient for both but if a seller doesn't want to discount why would it be a bad situation if they are willing to undo the whole transaction? You would have lost nothing and Ben would have been out shipping on both ends.

Also, he offered for you to keep the animal and get a 125.00 full credit to use in the auctions. Again, basically a full refund, keep the animal and possible yet another free snake. Wow, I think that is a great reaction from a seller that admits there was a mistake. Heck, that would qualify as a good guy post for me. We are all human and regardless if the cut should have been caught or noted in the auction, it wasn't ignored or responsibility not taken for it. The offer was refused again because you want the cash. Admittedly, you want the animal as well but only on your terms. So you threaten a charge-back. Really? You threaten a chargeback to someone who is giving two different options to make you whole in this transaction?


Well you got your cash and you have your discounted (free) animal. Now you got the extra cash for those bills.

Again, I must of missed it. Why do you get to dictate a discount instead of returning for a full refund? Why would a seller deserve criticism for trying to correct a bad situation by giving a buyer a full refund? Oh, that's right because you still want the animal but would like cash back.


Now my personal opinion aside,


I know you didn't type the vulgarity in this post but quoting and posting the content is consider the same as if you actually did.

Profanity and that type of vulgarity isn't allowed on the open forums of this site. Please refrain from posting such again.
 
Hey Dennis, I sold appliances for two and a half years, things showed up with dents in them all the time and still functioned perfectly but guess what, Home Depot gave them a discount if they decided to keep it instead of getting a replacement shipped to them because people didn't want to sit around and wait for a new one to show up. Same scenario but with a live animal. I didn't want two snakes for the price of one.
 
Hey Dennis, I sold appliances for two and a half years, things showed up with dents in them all the time and still functioned perfectly but guess what, Home Depot gave them a discount if they decided to keep it instead of getting a replacement shipped to them because people didn't want to sit around and wait for a new one to show up. Same scenario but with a live animal. I didn't want two snakes for the price of one.


Did home depot give them a full refund and let them keep the washer with the dent ?
So you have no problem keeping a full refund even though you continuously say you only want a partial refund ?
 
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