Carolina Reptile Exchange, selling Pieds

[The BoidSmith]

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From CRE’s webpage:

burm , ball ,and retic genetics....
what is a het?

This will be at best a difficult page,Many times durring each day we are asked to explain ,"What is a het"?.Simply put, a "het"is a animal which carries a gene for a characteristic or trait,such as being a albino.A animal whic carries one or more of these traits, that cannot be outwardly seen, is a het. We break these hidden traits down to a couple basic types,
1) co dominant, This means only one of the parents will need to carry the gene ,for that trait to be present in the offspring.Ball pythons such as the Spider, pastel, and yellow bellies are good examples of this.
2) Simple recesive, This is just simply BOTH PARENTS must carry the gene to be able to visualy see it in the offspring. Examples of this are pied, albino,axanthic etc in ball pythons.
There are different "levels" or percentages of Hets,
100% means it deffinatly carries the gene,this animal is usualy the result of a breeding between a Visual genetic trait ,and a normal or 100% het.
50% this is a breeding between usualy a 100% het and a normal.ONLY 50 % OF THE OFFSPRING WILL CARRY THE GENE ! so a 50 % het means you have a 50/50 chance of your animal carring the gene.(a risk at best)
66% means the animal came from a 100% het bred to a 100% het,any of the babies that are not visably showing the trait ,have a 66% possibility of carring the trait.(another risk)
and yes there are 33s and even 25 % hets available, but your liklyhood of producing visuals is VERY remote !

Please be aware, you do get what you pay for..a 100% may cost $1000 plus (just a example) while a 50% may just be $150,but the likelyhood of you producing visuals is slim.And after all,if your breeding hets , you are in it to produce visuals,otherwise you would have purchased normals !
Check the guarantee when buying,call and talk to the sellers,ask , ask, ask, then ask some more.DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ! yes There are good deals out there...and jelousy and hatred run deep among some competing dealers. Get a plan together, ask questions, follow your plan.THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE OUT THERE,AND NEW VISUAL GENETIC MORPHS ARE APEARING EVERY DAY !

what is a het?

This will be at best a difficult page

Of course it will.

2) Simple recesive, This is just simply BOTH PARENTS must carry the gene to be able to visualy see it in the offspring. Examples of this are pied, albino,axanthic etc in ball pythons.

Unless the origin of one or both of the parents is from HCE.

100% means it deffinatly carries the gene,this animal is usualy the result of a breeding between a Visual genetic trait ,and a normal or 100% het.

Have they ever own one?

50% this is a breeding between usualy a 100% het and a normal.ONLY 50 % OF THE OFFSPRING WILL CARRY THE GENE ! so a 50 % het means you have a 50/50 chance of your animal carring the gene.(a risk at best)
66% means the animal came from a 100% het bred to a 100% het,any of the babies that are not visably showing the trait ,have a 66% possibility of carring the trait.(another risk)

But we know already which is the greatest risk of all!

Please be aware, you do get what you pay for..a 100% may cost $1000 plus (just a example) while a 50% may just be $150,but the likelyhood of you producing visuals is slim.

Likelihood slim to none either way.

And after all,if your breeding hets , you are in it to produce visuals,otherwise you would have purchased normals !

Bingo!

Check the guarantee when buying,call and talk to the sellers,ask , ask, ask, then ask some more.DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ! yes There are good deals out there...and jelousy and hatred run deep among some competing dealers.

I’m pretty sure the Davis’, Barkers’, and Kahls’ of the world are extremely jealous.

THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE OUT THERE,

Of course there is! We wonder whose after it?

AND NEW VISUAL GENETIC MORPHS ARE APEARING EVERY DAY

And you need to own one yet! The same picture of the same pied been shown over and over again is getting old.

 

[craig kade]

"100% means it deffinatly carries the gene,this animal is usualy the result of a breeding between a Visual genetic trait ,and a normal or 100% het"
Usually the the result of breeding a visual??? That is the only way I know how to get them, unless you buy from CRE.

 

[gmherps]

What gets me is this bum states he has his PhD.
What a crock as usual.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Your attention to this matter will be appreciated...

Attention ball python importers, brokers, and general public. If anyone recognizes this female as one that entered the U.S. from Africa please let us know. If it can be proven she is an illegal alien she will be immediately confiscated and deported. Reward offered: One pair of “1995 yet-to-be-proven” HCE hetero for pieds. If you produce pieds with this pair you will automatically be considered for the Nobel price in Biology. If you don’t produce pieds, YOU will be responsible for contacting the original breeder. When and if you are able to do so you will be featured on the TV show “Unsolved Mysteries”. This is a win-win situation for the individual that comes forward with the right information. No other guarantees implied. This offer only valid in all U.S. lower States with the exception of SC. 17) We reserve the rite to refuse a sale to anyone, at our disgression.

 

[SPJ]

Hey, you're all wrong. CRE is legitimate. See, they will stand behind their guarentee.


Auction Item Questions and Answers posted on item:
Item number: 1125939774
Titled: FEMALE 100% HET FOR PIED BALL PYTHON

Question about this item from (buyer): Spj
Post on: Mon Aug 22, 06:01 PM
Look here. ALL of the het pieds from CRE were fakes. You may want to join the others who are trying to get their money back.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28844



Response on this item from (seller): Wowcrazedfools
Post on: Tue Aug 23, 03:23 PM
this snake came from dave hanner. not CRE. i spoke with dave hanner regarding this situation. thanks for the concern.


Question about this item from (buyer): Arrowbabie
Post on: Fri Aug 26, 12:38 PM
Hi,
Does CRE still provide the lifetime guarantee, even through change of ownership? how much is shipping to 33765> thanks


Question about this item from (buyer): Cat_72
Post on: Fri Aug 26, 12:48 PM
CRE doesn't stand behind ANY guarantee. Not a single one of their het pieds has EVER produced a pied. NOT ONE.


Response on this item from (seller): Wowcrazedfools
Post on: Sat Aug 27, 01:08 PM
CRE DOES stand behind their lifetime genetics guarantee. Feel free to contact them and speak with Bruce. As I said before, this snake is from Dave Hanner's breeding. It was sold to me by CRE, but was produced by Dave Hanner NOT CRE. Yes, CRE stands behind the guarantee. I will offer a full refund as well [will provide a written guarantee with all of my personal contact information stating so]. Hope this clears up the situation with CRE.


Response on this item from (seller): Wowcrazedfools
Post on: Sat Aug 27, 01:09 PM
Shipping is on me.


Question about this item from (buyer): Spj
Post on: Sat Aug 27, 02:20 PM
Try collecting on that guarentee.
I am positive Bruce and Dave will both tell you tough luck.

 

[craig kade]

Does Dave Hanner have his own thread yet?? He probably should, if nothing else guilt by association. He may not even be real though. Where was that for sale at??

 

[SPJ]

ReptiBid under the ball python section.
The ad even shows the CRE paperwork.
The seller seems to think that Bruce and Dave stand behind what they sell.

 

[rick c]

Not from the sounds of it. I'ts to bad this great hobby/business brings all the slugs out of the woodwork.2%ers
Rick C

 

[The BoidSmith]

A search shows a David Hanners who lives in SC, approximately 100 miles from CRE's store.

 

[SPJ]

I wonder if Dave Hanners even knows his name is on CRE paperwork for het pieds?

 

[The BoidSmith]

If in fact is the same David Hanners and if he even knows what a ball python is at all. I might even give him a call.

Regards.

 

[SPJ]

I can't believe it.
The "het pieds" from CRE listed on Reptibid have bids on them. The highest bid is at $805 now.
Even after all the people stating on the Q&A section, that hets from CRE are fake AND a link to this thread, people are still STUPID enough to want to buy them.

No wonder scammers stay in business. There are so many STUPID people out there, they can always find another sucker to rip off.

 

[Cat_72]

Some people don't even know enough to read the Q&A section, some very possibly have others putting bids on their animals to "raise people's confidence", some are very likely shill bidding.........and yeah, there's still plenty of stupid people out there who think they're gonna get a "good deal".

I've noticed a LOT of CRE animals on Reptibid lately, gee, I wonder why?

 

[The BoidSmith]

Even after all the people stating on the Q&A section, that hets from CRE are fake AND a link to this thread, people are still STUPID enough to want to buy them.

Is any of the bidders [email protected]?

Regards

 

[The BoidSmith]

Anyone care to be taken to the cleaner’s?

They always advertise the last pair, group, etc. But they keep receiving more and more. Mr. Hanners seems to be one of the most prolific hetero pied breeders of the country!

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I NEED CASH FOR ANOTHER PROJECT
hurricane is hurting the economy
gas prices are ridiculus !

THIS IS THE LAST BUNCH.
THE 1.4 OFFERED EARLIER ARE SOLD

SOME OF THESE WERE ON HOLD,
SOME WE HAD DEPOSITS ON,BUT NO PAYMENTS
2 WERE HOLDBACKS
WE HAVE VERY FEW AVAILABLE

Im making a crazy offer


to be shipped this comming week
1/2 now,
1/2 when they produce visual pieds

HOW CAN YOU BEAT THAT ?
these are all thats left for the year
lots of responce but no $$$$
feeding on froz/prekilled mice or rat pups
all between 80 and 120 grams EMPTY
lifetime genetics guaranteed
PHOTO DOCUMENTATION ON GUARANTEE
BEST PRICE ANYWHERE
HOW DOES 1/2 AND 1/2 PRICING WORK?
pay 1/2 now and the snakes will be shipped to you,when they produce VISUAL pieds,you can pay the remaining 1/2 or trade some of the offspring .easy as that

females 1 for $1000 ,($500now $500 when they produce pieds)
2 for $1800 ,($900 now $900 when they produce pieds)
3 for $2400 ,($1200 now,$1200 when they produce)
males are $200 (1 free with purchase of 3 females)
this should absolutly clean us out.all males will be at least 1/2 brothers to the females due to having the same father

want to save even more ?
cash price (all paid now)
1 female $750
2 females $1300
3 females $1800
and free shipping !

EITHER WAY YOU GET THE FULL GUARANTEE ! IN WRITING !

dob 6/24/05
from a pied male (pictured)to a het female
dob 5/26/05 and 5/15/05
from the same pied father to a normal female

these were bred by Dave Hanners,and are backed by him as well as Carolina Reptile.we are a STORE not just a home breeder,stop in and see for yourself !

guaranteed feeding,live arrival plus 14 days
photo included with lifetime genetic guarantee

YOU CANNOT beat that price anywhere !

paypal, western union and postal money orders only
NO CASHIERS OR BANK CHECKS

NO SANE OFFER REFUSED !
SHIPPING TO THE DOOR OR DELTA INCLUDED !

to qualify all you need is
full name
adress(no p.o.s)
phone
and $some cash

Questions? call us ! Ill be in sunday 2-6 thurs- sat 2-6
(803)548-8BOA
thanks and God Bless !

Mark and Ling,,,Elijah too !
CALL OR VISIT US TODAY !!!!!

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

It's a sad commentary...

...on our society and industry that such wholesale thieves can operate successfully for so many years. Do these scumbage ever show up as vendors at any shows?

 

[Jim O]

...on our society and industry that such wholesale thieves can operate successfully for so many years. Do these scumbage ever show up as vendors at any shows?

PT Barnum is alleged to have said "There is a sucker born every minute".

I didn't notice them in Raleigh in the spring but I wasn't at the most recent show there. I don't go to the SC shows generally.

 

[The BoidSmith]

...on our society and industry that such wholesale thieves can operate successfully for so many years.

This is just my opinion but I think they are still in business because there's a lot of people out there who still believe in "short cuts".

 

[SPJ]

This is just my opinion but I think they are still in business because there's a lot of people out there who still believe in "short cuts".

Exactly. And CRE has plenty of people out there to sell to that have that type of mentality when it comes to breeding.

Instead of paying the extra from a reputable source, people will try to get something for nothing. It only comes back to bite them later.

The same reason people send money to Russia via western union for $100 albino BP's and agree to the fake money order scams is the same reason people buy from CRE.

They only think about how much money they can make and don't think about what they are actually doing.

 

[Dennis1]

I dont think it makes someone stupid to look for a good deal!
and if they are bidding on a snake from a scammer they may not be stupid, just ignorant
lets place blame where it lies with the scammer not the scammee
the reason there are scammers out there is because the scammers are low lifes who care about nothing but themselves.