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Fauna, the BOI, and Favouritism...

Well, it was supposed to go to Hell from the get go, but that was MY mistake...will be more careful in the future...
James is correct, I could hardly expect not to get some grief after my initial post and subsequent responses...ah well.
Boy, you go away for two days, and my oh my, how a thread does spiral all over the map !!!

greg
 
Dennis wrote
"Sorry you feel we should have bowed to you for thinking illegally shipping Snakes through the post office is just dandy. No, I was not the one that flamed you but I would. I would like to business in the future thank you very much."


See this is exactly what I am talking about...I never defended anyone shipping that way! In fact, I agreed that the guy was wrong in doing so, and chastised him for it, though I didn't tear him a new one. I defended his other methods, which are not the "normal" way, and got slammed. This is the perfect example of why this site doesn't work in alot of cases. These threads get so long, and off topic (like the Tosha bashing thats going on in this thread right now) that focus is lost, and the hope of having any sort of real discussion is gone. You guys are all so happy playing in your little "tear them a new asshole playground" that you don't stop and think that civility is paramount in any discussion. This place is far from perfect. Dennis, you don't have to bow to me bro, just read and comprehend what I said. If you can't do that, then don't come at me in that tone. There are at least a dozen folks here who know that I am an honest and fair guy. But when you get lambasted by the regulars for not agreeing with everything they say, thats just wrong. There is a reasonable way to discuss and solve a problem, and there is unreasonable. This site leans towards the latter more often than is comfortable for most people.

Shawn
 
Karen wrote:

"That's the thread he was referring to. What a dumba@@. Anyone who defends someone for shipping snakes USPS deserves to have his a$$ handed to him on a platter."

Thanks also Karen for making my point. Did you actually read that thread, or are you just jumping onthe bandwagon yet again?

Shawn
 
Zx7trev said:
These threads get so long, and off topic (like the Tosha bashing thats going on in this thread right now) that focus is lost, and the hope of having any sort of real discussion is gone. You guys are all so happy playing in your little "tear them a new asshole playground" that you don't stop and think that civility is paramount in any discussion. Shawn

Tosha paddled up that river all on her own. She was proven a liar time and time again. Then she wants to critisize the BOI as a whole because no one fell for her cry me a river stance. AGAIN!!! :nopity: Sorry, Ms. Thang not fallin for it.

Shawn you have some good points, you have from the get go. And I am sure that people recognize them. Getting lambasted by the regulars is something you may have to take with a grain of salt. And yes it does take a unique person to not be effected by this group. Yes, I will agree that the BOI is not perfect. But I must say that overall it accomplishes so much more good then it does bad.
 
WebSlave said:
Well I guess that clinches it! Yep definitely a conspiracy here of right wing leftist guerrilla ultra liberal communist money grubbing capitalist pig clique members! Yep, this clique DEFINITELY covers all the bases!


Well, crud. I'm only a member of the "beerdrinkingchiphoardingcookieeatingsecretringwearingmakingt-shirtstoruletheworld" clique. Sigh.

I guess we all need something to aspire to. :rofl: :rofl:
 
Thanks Mike,

I agree that Tosha sank her own ship. But, as things happen here, it went beyond proving her wrong. We should all try and remember that this is a discussion forum, and not a bashing contest. Just because she deserves it, doens't mean you should dish it out, especially when its not on topic. Look, I'm not a sensitive guy, but when it comes to this place having a knack for "following the leader", then the leader needs to lead down the right path.

Shawn
 
critical bill said:
For teaching my 11 year old daughter a new word to call the boys at school he wins the puffy nipple head award. Holy crap, I think I turned him into a Klingon. Hahaha!

Bill,is that a horn?or a bullet?Either way,I hate hair,and it makes me look like Mr.Mgoo.Do over.Please.

For the record,I refuse to take myself too seriously when it comes to anything besides my family,my buisness,or my collection.All else is fair game.

Andy Sury
 
"I agree that Tosha sank her own ship. But, as things happen here, it went beyond proving her wrong. We should all try and remember that this is a discussion forum, and not a bashing contest. Just because she deserves it, doens't mean you should dish it out, especially when its not on topic. Look, I'm not a sensitive guy, but when it comes to this place having a knack for "following the leader", then the leader needs to lead down the right path.

Shawn"


Actually, it was right on topic. Tosha came here bashing the BOI, and got caught in a web of lies. She got called on it. Simple as that. The fact that there is what some people are referring to as a pack mentality is due to the fact that very often subjects here eventually end up with most people coming to the same conclusions. In this case it was that Tasha was out of line.
 
pch101 said:
Actually, it was right on topic. Tosha came here bashing the BOI, and got caught in a web of lies. She got called on it. Simple as that. The fact that there is what some people are referring to as a pack mentality is due to the fact that very often subjects here eventually end up with most people coming to the same conclusions. In this case it was that Tasha was out of line.
Isn't the definition of "insanity" doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? This wasn't the first time that Tosha had opened herself up for "attack". This time there was, however, even more ammunition.
 
Zx7trev said:
Dennis wrote
"Sorry you feel we should have bowed to you for thinking illegally shipping Snakes through the post office is just dandy. No, I was not the one that flamed you but I would. I would like to business in the future thank you very much."


See this is exactly what I am talking about...I never defended anyone shipping that way! In fact, I agreed that the guy was wrong in doing so, and chastised him for it, though I didn't tear him a new one. I defended his other methods, which are not the "normal" way, and got slammed. This is the perfect example of why this site doesn't work in alot of cases. These threads get so long, and off topic (like the Tosha bashing thats going on in this thread right now) that focus is lost, and the hope of having any sort of real discussion is gone. You guys are all so happy playing in your little "tear them a new asshole playground" that you don't stop and think that civility is paramount in any discussion. This place is far from perfect. Dennis, you don't have to bow to me bro, just read and comprehend what I said. If you can't do that, then don't come at me in that tone. There are at least a dozen folks here who know that I am an honest and fair guy. But when you get lambasted by the regulars for not agreeing with everything they say, thats just wrong. There is a reasonable way to discuss and solve a problem, and there is unreasonable. This site leans towards the latter more often than is comfortable for most people.

Shawn

It seems that you have FORGOTTEN that some of us backed you up once we understood EXACTLY what you were defending. Your lack of clarity cannot be fairly blamed on anyone but YOU.

It also seems that you are not exactly trying to "tear a new asshole" but you are sure trying to put your foot up someones, why are you special when it come to one's bung?


Zx7trev said:
Thanks Mike,

I agree that Tosha sank her own ship. But, as things happen here, it went beyond proving her wrong. We should all try and remember that this is a discussion forum, and not a bashing contest. Just because she deserves it, doens't mean you should dish it out, especially when its not on topic. Look, I'm not a sensitive guy, but when it comes to this place having a knack for "following the leader", then the leader needs to lead down the right path.

Shawn

If you're NOT so sensitive, then GET OUT OF THE LINE. Find a new leader you are comfortable FOLLOWING as you obviously do not want the LEADER roll yourself.

Seems to me that if folks are not following the path YOU think appropiate then they are wrong and should do things differently. HA! Practice what you preach and let them worry about themselves.

Veritably hypocritical. "Do as I think you should not as I myself do. I'll bitch and moan about "you guys" but that's all I'm willing to do." Seems to be your motto, neh?
 
Wes,

Be fair...I didn't forget that some people backed me up. But i would be happy to show you some of the negative reputation hits I got, by clearly, and calmly, talking about another option other than what some people wanted to hear.

As far as my response to Dennis...He is using blatant false statements about me to make his point, followed swiftly by Karen, who believes everything Dennis said apparantly. That deserves a stiff rebuttal don't you agree?

As far as following my own rules, this thread is about the cliqueness of this board. I am still relatively new here, and I have noticed it, so I posted to try and participate in the original discussion for a newbies perspective. As such, I am relaying what I see causes alot of the problems ie...going off topic, and not being able to keep it civil. You need a leader for this.

By a leader, I mean that someone should be watching this board more closely, and letting people know that they are going off topic, or taking something too far. This is ussually a moderators job. Noone is clearly doing that here, and I know the guy who owns this board, (is it Rich?) probably doens't have the time. And no, I don't want the job, as a board like this, that is supposed to be about problems, woudl be way to difficult to manage for my simple skillset.

Shawn
 
Ain't never met this "fair" you speak of.

Is she cute?

This is what YOU make of it.

Lead, follow or enjoy the view, from where you want to be, it never changes.
 
Um OK. Thanks for the contribution Wes. I AM making this list something BTW, by actively participating and posting valid opinions in this very important thread, not silly one liners.

Shawn
 
"By a leader, I mean that someone should be watching this board more closely, and letting people know that they are going off topic, or taking something too far. This is ussually a moderators job. Noone is clearly doing that here, and I know the guy who owns this board, (is it Rich?) probably doens't have the time. And no, I don't want the job, as a board like this, that is supposed to be about problems, woudl be way to difficult to manage for my simple skillset.

Shawn"


We have Rich/Webslave here, and he does keep things in check, and btw, in doing so, he has pissed off people on more than one occasion. We also have 4 moderators here, and they also do a pretty good job of watching the boards as well. I think you should realize that the very nature of a board like this requires more leeway than your avrage forum in order for it to work effectively and for situations to play out to a satisfactory conclusion. Yes, some people are quick to jump on the band wagon, and that has been discussed to death at this point. If you think things should be done differently here, then simply do things the way you feel they should be done, and led by example. If it turns out to be a better way to do things, then people will naturally follow.
 
Zx7trev said:
Um OK. Thanks for the contribution Wes. I AM making this list something BTW, by actively participating and posting valid opinions in this very important thread, not silly one liners.

Shawn

Let's see, there are a couple of ways I can take that.

Do you mean that I, just me, do NOT post VALID opinions? Hmmmmm that's an interesting idea.

Don't know quite what LIST you refer too so I'll just let that one go, after all I'm not the smartest guy here.

Then there is the silly one liners thing. Do you NOT use them because you are UNABLE to think of them? I suppose if I were so dense as to be unable to think of a witty retort I'd look down on them too. Perhaps you'll improve with time. I certainly hope so.

To tie it all up, you seem to have more of a problem with me personally than with the board. I am fairly certain that I do post VALID opinions on a variety of subjects, may have to ponder the use of the word valid to be sure we're using it in the same connotation, but I suspect that what I say IS valid and not just valid, but often correct as well. Interesting isn't it, how these conversations morph and turn unexpected as well as unseen corners. Seems you've gone a bit off your original track too. Does that make YOU less valid?
 
That is probably the most clear response to my concerns that anyone could have posted.

Thanks James,

Shawn
 
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