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Jeff Gee -Captive Bred wildlife foundation- Bad Businessman

Mike,

I'm really sorry for what happened to you and am glad you are managing this situation as you are. I know if I was in your shoes I would be very stressed. $8k is a lot of money! I find it sad for someone to take $8,000 of someone hard earn money, sell them something completely fake and to try and make up for it by offering boas that are really only worth $400 to $500 in the real world and then try to state that they still practice good business. I think we all need to put ourselves in your shoes because it can happen to any of us and I don’t know about everyone else, but $8k is a lot for me to spend and if I invest that money hoping I can make something back, with the discrepancy that occurred, it would really put a dent generally in my life. So why I am sorry for what occurred to you, I hope people benefit by this incident and learn that some people though they make guarantees, they can’t back them up and it will be you that gets screwed over while your money gets spent. Last, what bothers me is that Jeff stated that he used your funds to start other projects so it would bother me to know that Jeff may be making money off those projects he purchased with your money. Mike stay positive and try to keep this post open so at the least people become aware of the threats in our hobby.

Thanks,
Angel
 
Pfff Mike,

I feel very sorry for you but I think you forget something very important. You´ve invested 8000$ a long time ago and had 2 clutches without any Leopards, Albino´s or Leopard Albino´s. I think that he has to pay alle these costs of the income that you will never have.

1.1. Adult Animals ¨DH Leopard Albino¨
0.0.40 Baby Boa´s that had to be ¨Albino 66% het Leopard¨, Leopard 66% het Albino, Leopard Albino, 66% DH Leopard Albino

Can you do the math?

Regards and good luck

Steve
 
I am not vouching for Jeff. I am not a close friend to Jeff, I made a small purchase and spent time talking to him on the phone, I would surprised if he even remembers me. I was one of the first people Jeff offered to sell a pair of these boas to, he was still waiting for them to arrive. I was informed how much money he paid for them to come out of Europe. Jeff was giddy, to say the least, with excitement to be able to get these boas in and be able to produce the first albino leopards in the USA. I had the money at the time and decided to not buy a pair, honestly, it seemed too good to be true and was a bit bummed I did not take the chance.

Jeff was taken, we have all been taken, but this is a big deal and a lot of money to lose between three people who forked out a lot. So what is the solution?

A) Take Jeff to court

B) Take the hypos, breed and sell to recoup money lost

C) Take it as a loss

D) All of the above

This thread will ding Jeff's reputation, he is not happy about it, but that is due to his own mistakes. To have a guarantee that he cannot hold too, sounds like a TSE situation. That is damaging enough as it is. Jeff can state he was just a middleman, but he guaranteed these animals because he trusted someone else, then sold them.

Personally, I have seen Jeff's hypos and think that with a breeding or two, one can recoup their losses. Maybe not at Gee's face value, he at least owes you market value and not name brand value. Though that is not my decision to make.
 
I have talked with a few lawyers, and its hard to convince any of them it would be worth thier while. :rofl:
I agree there is more then meets the eye as far as loss and damages go.
But he says he cant even pay back the 8k im sure he cant pay back any more then that. (yea right)
As far as his hypos go, they are nice looking boas, but no where near what he thinks they are worth.
I think he just dont want to pay because he knows he dont have to, and will probally get away with it.
Its real low class in my book.
I dont care where he got them, when you make a gurantee to me and i spend 8k with you..back it up!
If this thread hurts his business :shrug01:
I email him once and while to see if he is ready to do the right thing, but no...he is not. :NoNo:
He is also offering some dh albino leopards that he is supposedly making himself, but..no thanks..a little late for that...he told me to keep it nice and everything will be "ok".. so i better do that :thumbsup:
Thats the way it is. Live and learn so they say.
Im sure when any one wo is considering doing business with him googles "jeff gee captive bred wildlife foundation" they will notice the 1st thing that comes up.
Maybe i should take the hypos, or some torts but I dont feel like getting rid of mites again, or having them brought into my collection.

At the end of the day, i know what comes around goes around..and I truly hope he can come to realise the thing to do, is refund my money.
I also lost another 5k that year from another boa investment :ack2: , but whos counting. :eek:
 
Maybe he should send you the animals he plans to make dh albino leopards with.Since what you paid for were animals that could produce albino leaopards, the least he could do is send you the animals to make hets right?
 
Combs69 said:
I have talked with a few lawyers, and its hard to convince any of them it would be worth thier while. :rofl:
I agree there is more then meets the eye as far as loss and damages go.
But he says he cant even pay back the 8k im sure he cant pay back any more then that. (yea right)
As far as his hypos go, they are nice looking boas, but no where near what he thinks they are worth.
I think he just dont want to pay because he knows he dont have to, and will probally get away with it.
Its real low class in my book.
I dont care where he got them, when you make a gurantee to me and i spend 8k with you..back it up!
If this thread hurts his business :shrug01:
I email him once and while to see if he is ready to do the right thing, but no...he is not. :NoNo:
He is also offering some dh albino leopards that he is supposedly making himself, but..no thanks..a little late for that...he told me to keep it nice and everything will be "ok".. so i better do that :thumbsup:
Thats the way it is. Live and learn so they say.
Im sure when any one wo is considering doing business with him googles "jeff gee captive bred wildlife foundation" they will notice the 1st thing that comes up.
Maybe i should take the hypos, or some torts but I dont feel like getting rid of mites again, or having them brought into my collection.

At the end of the day, i know what comes around goes around..and I truly hope he can come to realise the thing to do, is refund my money.
I also lost another 5k that year from another boa investment :ack2: , but whos counting. :eek:
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I would rather deal with mites, than be out 8K :rolleyes:
You can easily quarantine them until its safe.
JMHO
 
In my opinion you were very polite for a long time but now it´s time for some action. Beside the lawyers there are also street rules and take what´s yours during the next fair. It maybe sounds very streetwise but hey you´ve tried nealry everything.

Again I admire your patience :yesnod: :yesnod:

Regards

Steve
 
Premium Reptiles said:
In my opinion you were very polite for a long time but now it´s time for some action. Beside the lawyers there are also street rules and take what´s yours during the next fair. It maybe sounds very streetwise but hey you´ve tried nealry everything.

Again I admire your patience :yesnod: :yesnod:

Regards

Steve
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Should we form a posse and go after Jeff? Sounds reasonable, especially when Jeff returns fire and puts Greg in jail for following street rules.
 
Okay explain to me how Greg should go about taking his money back? You seem to know the rules of the street. If Jeff does not have $8,000 tucked away than how does Greg get it back?
 
Yea, no street justice here. Maybe back in the day:kill:, so they say... but I have a wife and son that are more important then getting even, plus jail sucks....no freedom.:dancer01:
The power of the pen will have to do, for now.
I see you live in Spain, Steve, you might be able to get away with that there.. I dunno.
As far as dealing with some mites, to get my 8k back in boas etc, it may have to be that way...we'll see.
I'm sure if he came to me with an offer I thought was fair I'd take it.
But that hasn't happened.
I still say to others just be careful when dealing with him.
Don't plan on getting a refund if something goes wrong.
Heck the other guy who bought the other pair is out 10k.
So I guess I got lucky.

Mike
:beer:
 
Honestly if this guy is such a "big breeder" then he should have something to offer you instead of hypos. Does he breed nothing else? I find that hard to believe. Not to mention if he is selling his super fantastic hypos for 5k a pop then he should be able to cough up 8k to pay you back. Heck, that's not even two snakes.

Does this guy have a site so I can see these amazing 5k hypos for myself?
 
I don´t know what are the rules in the States but I think that nobody likes to be screwed and honestly if that happens with me I will take animals for the worth of this deal. It is obvious that Greg is screwed and he bought the animals of Jeff so Jeff is responsable and have to respond. He is selling F4 Hypos for 5000$ and cannot pay the 8000$? For me this sounds strange, can you immagine that?

Regards

Steve

p.s. I reflected the story on my situation if this happens with me
 
do you really think that anyone will pay him anywhere close to that for a hypo? you can get DH sunglows now for $200 or less. he is off his rocker.
 
spix14 said:
Honestly if this guy is such a "big breeder" then he should have something to offer you instead of hypos. Does he breed nothing else? I find that hard to believe. Not to mention if he is selling his super fantastic hypos for 5k a pop then he should be able to cough up 8k to pay you back. Heck, that's not even two snakes.

Does this guy have a site so I can see these amazing 5k hypos for myself?
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well, he don't sell hypos for 5k each, he has them priced at 5k each, they have been for sale forever at that price, he will NEVER sell them at that price...NEVER.
He also breeds tortoises, but i don't want to set up for that. Id have to invest a bunch in just doing it right, cause that's the only way i do it.

He has some Galapagos torts for sale now on KS for like 86k, one would think he sells those he'd surely pay me back, but I mentioned it to him and he said no.
He also has an ad for wanting 15 radiated torts, top dollar paid, hmm, how about paying me first.

Mike
 
Combs69 said:
He has some Galapagos torts for sale now on KS for like 86k, one would think he sells those he'd surely pay me back, but I mentioned it to him and he said no.
He also has an ad for wanting 15 radiated torts, top dollar paid, hmm, how about paying me first.

Mike
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He said no?! What a prize this guy is. Did he have any reasoning behind this refusal? But he can buy radiated tortoises. *snort* Somebody ought to offer to sell him a pair and then send some Red-eared Sliders in their place.
 
Premium Reptiles said:
I don´t know what are the rules in the States but I think that nobody likes to be screwed and honestly if that happens with me I will take animals for the worth of this deal. It is obvious that Greg is screwed and he bought the animals of Jeff so Jeff is responsable and have to respond. He is selling F4 Hypos for 5000$ and cannot pay the 8000$? For me this sounds strange, can you immagine that?

Regards

Steve

p.s. I reflected the story on my situation if this happens with me
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First they need to be sold, owning a $5,000 snake does not mean you have $5,000. An offer was given and refused, the buyer and seller are both communicating over a resolve. Sure it is not right, but certainly the case is not over. Jeff has not ran away from the situation, he should pay up if he has the money to purchase top dollar animals. It is up to Greg to decide on which direction he will take the situation.

Let me explain things a bit better for you, in the States, walking into another man's home and "taking" his animals is called stealing. Greg will be put in jail for taking such actions. We have laws here that carry consequences, as such Jeff should be held responsible for selling false hets.

Take all your street justice talk elsewhere, it is nothing but steam.
 
Junkyard said:
First they need to be sold, owning a $5,000 snake does not mean you have $5,000. An offer was given and refused, the buyer and seller are both communicating over a resolve. Sure it is not right, but certainly the case is not over. Jeff has not ran away from the situation, he should pay up if he has the money to purchase top dollar animals. It is up to Greg to decide on which direction he will take the situation.

Let me explain things a bit better for you, in the States, walking into another man's home and "taking" his animals is called stealing. Greg will be put in jail for taking such actions. We have laws here that carry consequences, as such Jeff should be held responsible for selling false hets.

Take all your street justice talk elsewhere, it is nothing but steam.
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Well said Michael, by the way, my name is michael also, not greg. :)
I wish it were as easy as going and just taking it back, but It dont work that way.
The only real communication, is when I email him periodicly to ask for a refund and he replys he can only send me hypos etc. :angry:
I really dont know how someone can sleep at night knoowing they have ripped off people for so much money..I would have done what I had to do to refund money in this case.
Oh well ...I dont want to :deadhorse

Thanks folks.
Mike
 
Dude, I am sorry, I don't know why I keep typing Greg.
 
Taking reasonable action.....

I was aware of this situation long ago, but have been away from the BOI for a long time and only now knew of this thread. I am of the group that believe the VERY LEAST that Jeff should do is refund the purchase price in FULL ! I do not believe the Jeff intentionally sold animals that he knew where NOT DH, but that does not relieve him of HIS guarantee. I have also seen Jeff's ads for his F5 Hypos for $5,000.00. Certainly, an animal is worth what a BUYER and SELLER AGREE upon and nothing more. I personally would NEVER pay anywhere near the $5,000.00 asking price and believe that most people feel the same way or those animals would have already been sold. I also feel that replacement animals of any kind would be unfair compensation unless it is something that the aggrieved buyer wanted instead.
While I do believe that Jeff may have been taken by the original seller, he became the guarantor of this particular sale and bears the responsibility of making it right. I am not about to slight a breeder's opinion on what his animals are worth to him, but if Jeff can sell his hypos for $5,000.00, then do so and refund Mike his money. Personally, even if I felt MY animals were worth $5,000.00 - if they were not selling, I would sell 16 of them for $500.00 a piece to get Mike his money back. I understand not having the $8,000.00 on hand to make it right immediately, but if it were MY reputation at stake I would sell 80 animals for $100.00 a piece even if I thought they were worth thousands just to make it right.
I have seen Jeff's ads where he writes "Buy with Confidence".... I think that until this transaction is made right, the only confidence any of us can have is that we will be taken and have no redress for compensation.
 
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