Bad Guy KolorBurst Cham - Joshua Coppens - Will not honor 7 day health guarantee

[Varaki]

They all have point's, honestly that Cham should have never have been sent but a healthy one instead. So yes she is owed a refund. And she has every right to come to this forum and post because this is what the BOI is intended for. For buyers and sellers to give feedback on good reputable people and those who are not. Right now its becoming easy to see which one you are falling under. A refund might save a little bit of your reputation, but the way you are treating this, its going to be hard.

Selling animal's your animals should be 100% healthy, you obviously didn't give her one and in return, she has to spend time taking extra care of it to bring it back up to good health and she took it to the vets. It's lucky she didn't bring up a good amount of vet bills. I am hoping it lives but this should have never been a problem to begin with, that sick animal should have never been sold and sent in the mail. I think to everyone, it is obvious a refund should be given back for the female.

 

[KolorBurst Chameleons]

And again i own many businesses and dont check my Chameleon email everyday of the week

 

[KolorBurst Chameleons]

She sent the vet a pick didnt bring it anywhere and yea she is lucky she didnt run up a vet bill since she is responsible for it

 

[KolorBurst Chameleons]

All of you people giving your opinions are doing nothing to fix the situation and your not trying to your just trying to be nosy and find a way to fill your time this evening with arguing with me

 

[KolorBurst Chameleons]

And ive said 100 times already i would refund the money for the sick one, ive said that from day one

 

[Lucille]

And ive said 100 times already i would refund the money for the sick one, ive said that from day one

i told her id refund her money for that one and she agreed to wait a week to see if she got better. She started a issue with paypal and on here hence will get nothing.

Refund her right now, since you seem to flip flop quite a bit.

 

[figg2112]

Refund me for the female. I would like nothing more to get this resolved.

We both agree she is and has been in poor health

We can then close the paypal dispute and move on

 

[Olimpia]

We're not nosy people, we're being asked to weigh in on the legitimacy of Dez's claim, and we overwhelmingly agree that you are trying to wiggle out of refunding her what she is rightfully due. If she didn't have a case we would be more than willing to lean in your favor but this isn't what's going on.

As per an earlier comment:

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Ambilobe from fauna
Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:32 pm

Since I know you think you are right..how about I post an inquiry on fauna BOA and let the community tell me what they think should be done.





Subject:Re: Ambilobe from fauna
From:[email protected] <[email protected]>
Date:Sat, November 10, 2012 3:39 pm
To:[email protected] <[email protected]>
Priority: Normal


You can post whatever you want on fauna that is up to you.

She gave you a warning on SATURDAY, the 10th of November, about starting a BOI thread - 2 days later. To which you gave her the go-ahead.

She didn't start this thread for a WEEK after the end of your 7 day guarantee, on the 15th of December.

She has given you PLENTY of time to step up and give her the refund. You had a week where she didn't start a BOI thread and hadn't stirred anything up where she should have gotten the refund she was promised. This wasn't a surprise. So to say that she doesn't get it now because she started this thread is petty and ridiculous. You had an extra WEEK to sort this out.

 

[Olimpia]

Shoot, nevermind. Ignore most of my second message, I misread the dates at the beginning of the sale. I read the 2nd by accident and not the 8th. I apologize for that.

 

[KolorBurst Chameleons]

I didn't flip about anything, ive told her since day one i believed the one was sick and i would refund her money i just wanted to see if she would pull through to ship her back to me so i could try and bring her back to health but from the pics she is beyond where she would survive the trip. I do take responsibility that she was sick after she received her. I would never intentionally send a sick animal to someone and should have looked her over better before i shipped her. My chams are feed very well with well feed gutloaded feeders. I would never intentionally send a unhealthy animal. My policy is not in place so i don't have to take responsibility for the health of my animals but to prevent unnecessary returns of animals that became sick due to the buyers inexperience. I cant have these animals flying back and forth across the country. I understand when it comes to this one female that is not the case, something is wrong with her but it is not due to mine or the buyers neglect. Sometimes animals just get sick.

 

[KolorBurst Chameleons]

And i have no idea how to refund a partial payment or even make a note on the paypal claim or it would already be done

 

[Lucille]

Make the refund now, and then your buyer can close the dispute.

 

[canzoman]

And i have no idea how to refund a partial payment or even make a note on the paypal claim or it would already be done

If you just send her Paypal with her address for refund amount she should then be able to cancel the dispute. So like your sending her a payment.

 

[Timathy]

At this point in the game, you should refund her for both animals and call it even!

 

[Lucille]

At this point in the game, you should refund her for both animals and call it even!

No. Everyone has agreed to and is comfortable with the refund for one.

 

[Lucille]

Joshua it takes one minute to send a payment. I've just watched an entire episode of the Waltons and it isn't done yet. You said you would do it now come on.

 

[chadharper]

Yes people can post whatever opinion they want on the internet. This thread or google will not affect my hobby one bit

 

[Varaki]

That reputation keeps sinking.

 

[Fangthane]

I do take responsibility that she was sick after she received her. I would never intentionally send a sick animal to someone and should have looked her over better before i shipped her.

Way to try to slime your way out of any blame. So the cham was only sick "after she received her"? It's much more likely that it was sick before, during, and after shipping. Unless your eyes are as conveniently out of focus as your camera was, there's basically no chance that you didn't notice that the poor thing was in horrible shape, before you shipped it. Which means that, yes, you very likely did knowingly ship a sick animal.

My chams are feed very well with well feed gutloaded feeders. I would never intentionally send a unhealthy animal. My policy is not in place so i don't have to take responsibility for the health of my animals but to prevent unnecessary returns of animals that became sick due to the buyers inexperience.

Actually, avoiding responsibility is exactly what you're doing. Not only did you send her a sick animal, but I've just stumbled across a post on another forum where you openly admit to sickness in your young chameleons.

Refund me for the female. I would like nothing more to get this resolved.

We both agree she is and has been in poor health

We can then close the paypal dispute and move on

Assuming that THIS is the same Joshua Coppens, it'd appear that his criminal impulses haven't diminished one bit. He's still willing to use any means necessary to come out on top.

In the very likely event that he doesn't choose to willingly issue a refund, I'd make the following link available to the PayPal resolution team. As well as the posts in this thread where he acknowledged that a refund was deserved, but stated that it wouldn't be made due to this thread being posted about him. It may mean something to them. It certainly looks like he knew he was selling potentially sick animals, and was simply trying to dump them on unsuspecting customers.

http://www.chameleonforums.com/baby-chams-dieing-96359/

 

[Fangthane]

To hopefully avoid being dinged for an anonymous 3rd party quotation, here's a screenshot of the profile to show the poster's name: