Mike Shoemaker, Rebel Dragons -- Great Guy!!

[Wilomn]

Wes, just for the record, the only person on this site who can actually physically delete a message is me. The mods can only do soft deletes, which leaves a record for me to be able to view, if necessary. Quite frankly, my suspicion is that you fumble fingered it and lost the post yourself. Certainly it has happened to me now and again.

But in any event you have been fined and suspended again. This is the last call for you. The next one is permanent.

Think what you will of my fumble fingeredness.

I find it REALLY suspicious that it disappeared in the manner in which it did and the time that it did.

It's of no real matter anyway.

First last or next, they sort of blend together after a while. The suspensions do, especially when many were not really warranted.

What about those warning points rich? Sort of giving the finger to ALL those people who agreed with me, isn't it? What does that REALLY say about what you think of the opinions you so often solicit? You seem to have totally disregarded several HUNDRED people's opinions at least.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

I had no idea so many people would be upset with me taking some time to get my thoughts straight on this. I'm sorry if your offended by me taking some time with this. It's not an easy thing to admit that you did something bad in front of a bunch of people that once respected you.

To answer the question that some people are waiting on the edge of their seat for, Yes, I did make a name up on ReptiBid to mess with one Tere's auctions. Did I know I would get caught? Yep. Did I expect it to take so long? Nope. Did I know it would hit the BOI? Yep. Am I glad it did? Yep. To be honest it is quite a relief to have it out in the open. I have been waiting weeks for Tere and Paul to post something. Now that it has happen, I am relieved.

I regretted moving to Arizona from day one. I still ask myself why? So what did I Do ? I for reasons I don't even understand yet, set out on this big plight to self sabotage myself. I couldn't own up to what I felt was a huge mistake as a proper person so I went the sleazy route. I'm not proud of anything that occurred, many people got hurt and at the time I was not even caring. Of course when I got back to Pa reality hit and it was not good for anyone. Tere and I spoke a number of times once I got back. I explained what I was doing in counseling and explained what my DR had described as self sabotage. We talked about it and many other things. We laughed, we cried, we had productive talks in my opinion. I apologized constantly and she told me she understood why I did some of the things I did. Then a few days went by without a phone call. Then I receive an email asking when I would be available to receive Meanie. I said anytime. She got my address and sent them out to me overnight. I got the box and not only had she sent Meanie but 5 of my baby dragons as well. A note was included saying at this time she has nothing further to discuss with me. I thought it was kinda out of the blue looking back on the conversations we had had recently. But since that day I have not had contact with her. I have tried dang hard to understand why after talking to me after I got back and starting to work things out all of a sudden no more contact. My feelings about everything that happen have been very up and down. Oct, 5th I was having a BAD day with my mind spinning over what had happened over the couple of months prior. Again I showed more poor judgment by screwing with her auction. It was done in a fit of anger. Some days I am furious, others bitter and others I am ok. I never know until the sun comes out how that day will be. I didn't intend to hurt anyone, most of all, not her. She is perhaps the best person I have ever met. And I showed her the worst person she has met. But nothing I can do to change that. I do however offer an apology for it and always will. Even if it falls on deaf ears.

I have learned a lot of hard painful lessons in the past few months, still learning them. Nothing I can do now but try to move on from all this. It is my short comings as a person that put me in this predicament. No one is more disappointed with me than I am.

A few people have called me and wrote me saying that I should retaliate against Tere and Paul on an equally personal level. I almost believe some people want that to happen. The personal information posted about me is far from being 100% accurate. However, I really don't care about it. Life is too short to worry about petty details..............

I screwed up and now that it is public. I fully intend to take the lumps I am going to receive. As hard as they get and as personal as they might become they will be nothing compaired to what I am doing to myself. Pick this apart however you feel inclined. It is my final post to this thread as it seems it has spiraled off topic a couple times as it is. No need for me to continue adding fuel to the fire.

 

[Tere Salazar]

Mike

The reason I stopped talking to you before I sent back Meanie and the babies is because you told me Vickie Dachiu had said she was mad at Paul Sage for having her unpaid-for dragons. Then the very next day, you denied ever having said that. To me, it was just more evidence of your continued lies. I don't want to have anything to do with someone who can't even remember what lies they have told from one day to the next.

Furthermore, if you were so regetful about lying to everyone about me, why is it that you were just reported as having lied as recent as last weekend? Yeah, right, regret.

Also, funny that you are the ONLY person in this situation that has different memories of what happened. There are 4 people here that all pretty much have the same memory. I DID NOT post anything that hadn't already been routed through all 4 of us for accuracy. Maybe it's your memory that needs help. I would greatly appreciate it if you would NOT accuse me of remembering things wrong...at least if I lied to someone I would remember it the next day...because I DO NOT make it a habit to lie to everyone!

 

[WebSlave]

There are always choices availble rich.

I do not agree with you on this one.

Whether or not you agree with me is of no relevance.

Oh yes it is. I can decide whether you remain on this site or not. Which you can do as well. I would say that has a LOT of relevance, wouldn't you?

I have ALWAYS done what I, just me, thought was right. That's what I'm doing now.

Then it is about time that you reassess your actions and motives with the possibility that perhaps you are wrong.

If you guys don't like it, then we must simply disagree.

You like vanilla, I like chocolate chip, I have NO clue what owens likes, nor do I care.

Make your choices rich, I've made mine.

That is fine, but if your choices are not acceptable here, then you will have to take them elsewhere. Line is in the sand, Wes. You are at the fork in the road.

owens is NOT what a moderator should be. Period.

That obviously is not your decision to make on this site. I am sure that I am not what an admin should be in your eyes either. But perhaps we are even. I don't really consider you as a model member of this site either. Certainly we can all live happily ever after if we part ways at this juncture. That is YOUR choice at this point, Wes.

I find it REALLY suspicious that it disappeared in the manner in which it did and the time that it did.

Then quite simply and quite honestly, you are now suffering from paranoia, in my opinion. The only one who COULD have physically deleted your post was me, and I am certainly not going to do that. Based on your similar posts in this thread, I would much prefer to allow it to remain because it gives me further evidence and justification for the coming incident when you will be banned permanent. We both know this is coming, don't we Wes? You are apparently incapable of making the change necessary to remain here. Like the dinosaurs, you will soon be extinct on this site. I don't wish it were so, but you apparently are not willing to prevent it.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

To answer the question that some people are waiting on the edge of their seat for, Yes, I did make a name up on ReptiBid to mess with one Tere's auctions. .

Thanks for owning up. I have no further information to add in regards to you personally.

you are a member of the pack and that must be accounted for also.good day.

Thank you for your admission. You have revealed your true motives for participating in this thread.
Thank you for being honest.
Unfortunately, As it has just been brought to my attention, it is called stalking members of this site. Please report yourself this time.

 

[Wilomn]

Oh yes it is. I can decide whether you remain on this site or not. Which you can do as well. I would say that has a LOT of relevance, wouldn't you?



Then it is about time that you reassess your actions and motives with the possibility that perhaps you are wrong.



That is fine, but if your choices are not acceptable here, then you will have to take them elsewhere. Line is in the sand, Wes. You are at the fork in the road.



That obviously is not your decision to make on this site. I am sure that I am not what an admin should be in your eyes either. But perhaps we are even. I don't really consider you as a model member of this site either. Certainly we can all live happily ever after if we part ways at this juncture. That is YOUR choice at this point, Wes.



Then quite simply and quite honestly, you are now suffering from paranoia, in my opinion. The only one who COULD have physically deleted your post was me, and I am certainly not going to do that. Based on your similar posts in this thread, I would much prefer to allow it to remain because it gives me further evidence and justification for the coming incident when you will be banned permanent. We both know this is coming, don't we Wes? You are apparently incapable of making the change necessary to remain here. Like the dinosaurs, you will soon be extinct on this site. I don't wish it were so, but you apparently are not willing to prevent it.

Let's see if I have this right.

owens labelled dennis1 a troll.

dennis1 came on here this morning, trolling and I, using owen's own definition for dennis1, called dennis1 a troll and told him to find what he wanted in the forums it was already available in instead of trying to turn the thread he asked the question in to something about the lacks of dennis1.

For this I was suspended. Correct?

 

[Tere Salazar]

While We're At It

Mike-

One more question...why don't you tell me exactly what it is that I did to you that you would:

1- Ruin my good name and that of my business with your lies and deceit, knowing full well that I am just getting started at all this and that your lies were basically "the kiss of death", and

2- Cause me to lose my job that I really needed after the bills you ran up, then deny any responsibility,

3- Continue to lie after you had already apologized and admit your lies the first time,

4- Expect that I would want to continue ANY type of relationshi with you?

I would really like to thank you from the bottom of my heart. You taught me some very valuable lessons. NEVER TRUST ANYONE.

I also need to thank you for RUINING my name and my business name before I ever even got a chance to prove myself.

ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I CARED ABOUT YOU AND TRIED TO HELP YOU!!!!!!!

Maybe someday you will be able to understand the PERMANENT effect you had on my life and will understand that is why I do not care to speak to you.

 

[Chris@TSE]

yup, that about covers it

*shrug*

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Let's see if I have this right.

owens labelled dennis1 a troll.

dennis1 came on here this morning, trolling and I, using owen's own definition for dennis1, called dennis1 a troll and told him to find what he wanted in the forums it was already available in instead of trying to turn the thread he asked the question in to something about the lacks of dennis1.

For this I was suspended. Correct?

That would be correct Wes.

Jim was fined yesterday for the same offense. It was discussed in another thread.

 

[Wilomn]

I am SOOOOOO confused. You see, I THOUGHT I WAS being a good little soldier, doing just as my orders said I should.

Oh well, just shows me what happens when I think.

 

[critical bill]

The personal information posted about me is far from being 100% accurate. However, I really don't care about it. Life is too short to worry about petty details..............

I screwed up and now that it is public. I fully intend to take the lumps I am going to receive. As hard as they get and as personal as they might become they will be nothing compaired to what I am doing to myself. Pick this apart however you feel inclined. It is my final post to this thread as it seems it has spiraled off topic a couple times as it is. No need for me to continue adding fuel to the fire.

What lumps? You lumped yourself enough as far as I can see. Its time to heal. Get your mind together the best you can. Make amends with the people you've wronged, ask for their forgiveness, offer yours, and move on. Thats the best anyone can hope to do. You did some crazy things, said some crazy stuff, acted in a way that was inconsistent with the image you created for yourself in these forums. You surprised a few folks.

Certainly I believe your admittance and acceptance to all this is half the cure. I wish you good luck in finding the other half and getting it all together.

Nothing further for me to add on this thread...no sense in hanging around...rainy days and sundays always get me down.

 

[PaulSage]

The personal issues between the 3 of us will NOT be addressed at all. Although it was quite an entertaining read.

Mike, I’m so very glad that the living hell you put us through was “entertaining.” If entertainment was what you wanted, why didn’t you just ask for a magazine subscription or some concert tickets?

Mike, I once again urge you not to respond. Certain persons only have an interest in destroying someone for their own pleasure and status among like-minded persons.

Sociopaths are persons that have no human feelings for other humans. A recent psychology study determined that sociopaths make the most successful lawyers and CEO's. So, keep in mind that these may be the kind of people you will be feeding. You owe them nothing whatsoever.

I can’t believe that I’m even going to address this. BRUCE, if you are implying that Tere or I were motivated by the opportunity to destroy someone, you are DEAD wrong. I explained very clearly WHY we reported what we did. If you are unable to comprehend that, that’s your problem. I’ve never had anything against you until your vague implications that I and/or Tere are sociopaths.

I would really like to thank you from the bottom of my heart. You taught me some very valuable lessons. NEVER TRUST ANYONE.
ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I CARED ABOUT YOU AND TRIED TO HELP YOU!!!!!!!

Maybe someday you will be able to understand the PERMANENT effect you had on my life...

I couldn’t have said it any better… at least not without costing me another ten bucks.

Look, Tere and I have spent MONTHS trying to figure out WHAT would be appropriate to include SHOULD we ever even make something public. What to leave in, what to leave out, and will things still make sense to a 3rd party. Like I've mentioned, our greatest concern was with regards to our reputation as newcomers in the industry as well as slander and libel that have been committed against us. When "personal" issues are a component of the slander and libel that are committed in a close-knit industry such as this, I DO feel that the victims are justified in addressing these issues publicly, ESPECIALLY when the victims have absolutely NO idea WHOM these lies have been told to.

I don't expect ANYONE to agree with the decision I made to post what I did, but I am not about to apologize for my judgment on this.

Wendy, and anyone else who is still questioning this aspect: Like I said, the auction crap was just that—crap. Nobody got hurt. Now ask yourself this: Do you think we were justified in warning other people about what Mike was doing? If all we reported was the auction fraud, do you REALLY think that the severity of Mike’s character would have been inferred, and other people would have been adequately warned? If anyone wants to continue believing anything Mike has said, SCROLL UP.


Wes: PLEASE don’t get yourself banned over this…

 

[PaulSage]

A few people have called me and wrote me saying that I should retaliate against Tere and Paul on an equally personal level. I almost believe some people want that to happen.

I have no idea who you "people" are, nor do I really want to know. All I can say is that you TRULY, disgust me. If retaliation and revenge are your priorities in life, then... ten bucks.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Paul, what Mike did was wrong, it just took me so long to find out what he did that I got very frustrated reading about personal issues that are none of my business or concern.

Like I said, I think your first post was great and that the next I expected to be from Tere with the Incident and the proof. I didn't expect to have to read a ton of personal things to get to the issue then even more to get the proof.

The Auction issue "could" have been stated clearly in the beginning with the proof and the personal back up "could" have followed as supporting factors so that everyone that reads this thread today, next week or 10 years from now can see what the issue and proof are quickly.

A lot of people are not going to keep reading all of those long post to get to the "meat" of the topic.

Tere and Paul, I still think you are good poeple, never thought any differently, never had a reason to. Just had a hard time getting to the issue you guys were trying to get across.

Mike, Im glad you have admitted to these actions and are trying to apologize to the people you offended and hurt. All you can do now is to do your best to get past all of this and move on in a better direction and stay clean of any trouble.

 

[brucestephenson]

Well, I have to say that I am surprised that Mike has admitted to doing sleazy things. He was recommended highly by a friend of mine, and I always give my friends, even new friends, the benefit of the doubt.

But, what I would like you all to understand of me, I do not easily abandon my friends, even if they get into trouble. If you show me a kindness, I will always stick up for you, as long as you are sorry for your actions and pay your dues for them. Yes, I would dump a friend for heinous crimes such as child-abuse, rape, murder, etc.

That is the way my brain is wired. If any of you who have been kind to me get in trouble on the BOI, you will be very glad that I am your friend.

 

[Junkyard]

To answer the question that some people are waiting on the edge of their seat for, Yes, I did make a name up on ReptiBid to mess with one Tere's auctions. Did I know I would get caught? Yep. Did I expect it to take so long? Nope. Did I know it would hit the BOI? Yep. Am I glad it did? Yep. To be honest it is quite a relief to have it out in the open. I have been waiting weeks for Tere and Paul to post something. Now that it has happen, I am relieved.

...Again I showed more poor judgment by screwing with her auction. It was done in a fit of anger. Some days I am furious, others bitter and others I am ok. I never know until the sun comes out how that day will be. I didn't intend to hurt anyone, most of all, not her. She is perhaps the best person I have ever met. And I showed her the worst person she has met. But nothing I can do to change that. I do however offer an apology for it and always will. Even if it falls on deaf ears.

This was a lot to read, what I see is a troubled person. Mike, it is time to make up your mind how you are going to feel over this. If you are truly sorry for this than in time you may be forgiven, though probably not forgotten over this, but that is for others to decide. It is disturbing to see these two thoughts in your post.

Mike, take care and fix yourself, if you are seeing a Dr. and trying to overcome your problems than I wish you luck. I hope you are not writting all that just for sympathy.

 

[PaulSage]

But, what I would like you all to understand of me, I do not easily abandon my friends, even if they get into trouble. If you show me a kindness, I will always stick up for you, as long as you are sorry for your actions and pay your dues for them.

Then YOU can loan him money and offer him a roof over his head.

 

[brucestephenson]

Paul, Nobody should mistake my kindness for weakness. My post was not an invitation for your sour grapes.

 

[critical bill]

Wes: PLEASE don’t get yourself banned over this…

Exactly. This thread should not cost us a good member.

 

[Jim O]

Well, I have to say that I am surprised that Mike has admitted to doing sleazy things. He was recommended highly by a friend of mine, and I always give my friends, even new friends, the benefit of the doubt.

But, what I would like you all to understand of me, I do not easily abandon my friends, even if they get into trouble. If you show me a kindness, I will always stick up for you, as long as you are sorry for your actions and pay your dues for them. Yes, I would dump a friend for heinous crimes such as child-abuse, rape, murder, etc.

That is the way my brain is wired. If any of you who have been kind to me get in trouble on the BOI, you will be very glad that I am your friend.

You're NOT any kind of friend if you can't tell your friend he is WRONG. You insisted it was the "sociopaths" who wanted to get him. Perhaps it's time for you to apologize?