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[j_h_smith]

THIS is your evidence??? The words mean NOTHING, he has the animal on a SCALE so you can see the actual weight. Did you NOT see that picture yourself??

So..how did the animal get from 1072 g to the weight stated (1190g) if it was ill, or are you denying that the animal was the stated weight?? Inquiring minds want to know.

No, the picture of the snake on the scale is mine, not Paul's This is the snake the day I got it home.

Paul is the one saying it weight was 1072. I'm showing you the snake weighed 1190 when Ireceived it. The ad says it was a 1200 gram snake. I don't know where Paul is coming up with this 1072 weight.

Jim Smith

 

[StrictlyExotics]

How many lies do I have to catch Paul saying before you look at this straight on? He said he sold me a 1072 gram snake, but his ad says 1200 grams. I don't want to backtrack, but please read all of the posts in this thread and tell me who you think is telling lies? That's all I ask!


Jim Smith

Jim, another hole in your story is that he sold you an 1100gr snake when he advertised it as 1200gr. Which was it, 1100gr or 1200gr. It ACTUALLY makes a difference in your case, trust me. From the way it sounds, if he sold you an 1190gr snake, which is what your scale says, it would be safe to say 1200gr for arguments sake. I dont think anyone here will complain about 10gr, being that its not drugs

Where I have a serious issue is, you had a 3rd party take responsibility to pick up a healthy paid for, Albino ball python. If it was sick, it should have been refused right there, whether he had time to look at it or not. If I am spending money, in person, I am going to inspect the animal to make sure that it is healthy. I would trust that, no matter how busy the person "I trust my life with, let alone an Albino ball python", would also make sure to do the same thing.

I am not biased here either. Personally, I dont think I would ever do business with the seller, even before this deal took place. Now, this is just my opinion and has nothing to do with anything in particular.

For one, he should not be freely sending out meds NOT prescribed to that snake, which is obviously what hes doing. Also, nice try blaming the buyer for taking his snake to the vet to get a more EXPERT diagnosis by saying he mixed meds. YOU sir provided him with the initial meds to begin with. To some extent, I might be inclined to think that you sent him the Baytril on purpose so you could make this claim just in case the snake died.

 

[j_h_smith]

With the OP reporting that Rick said it was sick when he opened the bag, and the seller reporting that Rick said it was fine, I think we're all waiting for Rick to post his side of things.

Rick is pissed and he said he has no time to deal with the Fauna BOI, so I guess that won't happen. I do know Paul will be looking for a new rodent breeder. So, I'm just going to let this thing go. If Paul pays me, that's great, if not I'm sure he's learned a lesson. I'm not going to go around and around tit-for-tat anymore. It seems like everyone has an opinion and that won't get me my money, so I'm done after I address any outstanding posts. You can believe me, or not, that's up to you. I know what was said, what was done and what was intended. I really don't see where any of this is helping to get my money back.

Thank you all for listening to my grievence.
Jim Smith

 

[deborahbroadus]

Not jumping on you either, but Rick Krumrine picked up the snake and took it home with him. He then brought the snake to the Havre de Grace show the next weekend. Rick lives in Pa, I live in Middle River Md. I trust Rick with my life, much less a 1200 gram Albino Ball Python. He is more than quallified to keep a snake for a week, then deliver it to me at the next local show.



You're intitled to your opinion, but you are mistaken. I consider myself an upstanding individual with morals. The reason I accepted a 50% refund is because of the fact that the snake wasn't handed off to me. I doubt Rick Krumrine has done anything to this snake to make it become ill, so I have no other conclusion that the snake was sick when Paul sold it to me. Pauk agrred to the 50% refund, I just don't know when I'm going to get it.



How many lies do I have to catch Paul saying before you look at this straight on? He said he sold me a 1072 gram snake, but his ad says 1200 grams. I don't want to backtrack, but please read all of the posts in this thread and tell me who you think is telling lies? That's all I ask!


Jim Smith

I am sorry, I slogged through the whole "he said, she said" drama above. As I said, I don't take ANYONE'S word for anything and protestations of "honor," "honesty," etc do not move me. I do not know you nor the seller. I am interested in evidence and evidence only.


1. Your friend is a breeder (you both praised him) yet, he didn't recognize an RI in the snake, did not check for an R.I? Had it for a week and two days later you noticed open mouthed breathing...yet, you didn't take pictures of it.

2. Taking pictures of a dead snake now..without the evidence of the Vet that it had an RI does not prove that it had an R.I. It only proves that it's dead.

Maybe I am missing something?


*I can't see the pics at work..sigh.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Jim, another hole in your story is that he sold you an 1100gr snake when he advertised it as 1200gr. Which was it, 1100gr or 1200gr. It ACTUALLY makes a difference in your case, trust me. From the way it sounds, if he sold you an 1190gr snake, which is what your scale says, it would be safe to say 1200gr for arguments sake. I dont think anyone here will complain about 10gr, being that its not drugs

Where I have a serious issue is, you had a 3rd party take responsibility to pick up a healthy paid for, Albino ball python. If it was sick, it should have been refused right there, whether he had time to look at it or not. If I am spending money, in person, I am going to inspect the animal to make sure that it is healthy. I would trust that, no matter how busy the person "I trust my life with, let alone an Albino ball python", would also make sure to do the same thing.

I am not biased here either. Personally, I dont think I would ever do business with the seller, even before this deal took place. Now, this is just my opinion and has nothing to do with anything in particular.

For one, he should not be freely sending out meds NOT prescribed to that snake, which is obviously what hes doing. Also, nice try blaming the buyer for taking his snake to the vet to get a more EXPERT diagnosis by saying he mixed meds. YOU sir provided him with the initial meds to begin with. To some extent, I might be inclined to think that you sent him the Baytril on purpose so you could make this claim just in case the snake died.

That's an interesting perspective. They may both be wrong, I haven't seen a vet report yet. I don't misplace MY vet reports. Not accusing..waiting (if it's there, I can't see it). Has it been posted?

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Rick is pissed and he said he has no time to deal with the Fauna BOI, so I guess that won't happen. I do know Paul will be looking for a new rodent breeder. So, I'm just going to let this thing go. If Paul pays me, that's great, if not I'm sure he's learned a lesson. I'm not going to go around and around tit-for-tat anymore. It seems like everyone has an opinion and that won't get me my money, so I'm done after I address any outstanding posts. You can believe me, or not, that's up to you. I know what was said, what was done and what was intended. I really don't see where any of this is helping to get my money back.

Thank you all for listening to my grievence.
Jim Smith

Jim, if you are owed money, we all want to see you get it. You have to understand though, we dont know who ACTUALLY owes you anything, if anything yet. I dont think anyone here thinks you are totally at fault here. I would even venture to say that 90% of us havent even formed an opinion one way or another yet. You should not get frustrated with how things work though. We arent going to jump on your bandwagon just because you say you got a raw deal. All we want is to hear all there is to hear before we make an informed decision one way or another.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

That's an interesting perspective. They may both be wrong, I haven't seen a vet report yet. I don't misplace MY vet reports. Not accusing..waiting (if it's there, I can't see it). Has it been posted?

As of yet, no Deb. There has been no vet report posted but I would like to see that as well. I would still like to know more about when this snake developed its illness and if its possible to have gotten ill while in his "breeder-friends" hands. A week is a long time if it had no heat whatsoever to certainly develop an RI.

Jim....
I would definitely try to get your personal friend Rick to chime in a little bit just so we can find out what he thinks about the whole fiasco. I dont understand why he would be so pissed off if his name isnt being thrown around the mix as a bad guy. However, you have to understand too, that if he doesnt feel the need to chime in hes gonna take the brunt of what happened to your snake due to husbandry.

Also, if he is such a good, personal friend that you trust your life with... Why wouldnt he come here to back up your claim? That sort of gets my curiousity stimulated, if you know what I mean.

 

[j_h_smith]

What do you guys want from me? I was asked this morning to get a vet report. I'm at work. How quick do you think I can get to the vets?

I will get the report, it will just take a little time.

Jim Smith

 

[j_h_smith]

You have a PM.

Jim Smith

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Rick doesn't do anything online. He's big (and fairly well known) in the Mid-Atlantic show circuit. I highly, highly doubt anyone is going to get him on here to get mixed up in this drama.

 

[j_h_smith]

That's an interesting perspective. They may both be wrong, I haven't seen a vet report yet. I don't misplace MY vet reports. Not accusing..waiting (if it's there, I can't see it). Has it been posted?

You have a PM.

Jim Smith

 

[j_h_smith]

Rick doesn't do anything online. He's big (and fairly well known) in the Mid-Atlantic show circuit. I highly, highly doubt anyone is going to get him on here to get mixed up in this drama.

Thank You!
Jim Smith

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Rick doesn't do anything online. He's big (and fairly well known) in the Mid-Atlantic show circuit. I highly, highly doubt anyone is going to get him on here to get mixed up in this drama.

I understand Stephanie but, the "friend I would trust my life with" card was thrown so I would just think, as a friend, he might have a few words to say is all.

 

[brd7666]

Without the vet report being posted, how does anyone know the OP even took the snake to the vet? I have seen too many cases where the OP claimed to take the animal to the vet and it was just a lie. This would not be the first time that has happened and it wouldn't be the last. How does a person lose a vet report in such a short period of time, when he would think it would be asked for by someone as proof. If I was the seller, I would want to see it for sure. I have also seen where the buyer had some kind of a mishap that killed the snake and then tried to blame something on the seller so they could get their money back.

As for the baytril, it is not the issue here. How the seller got it, why he got it, who he got it from, what he uses it for, and so on are irrevelant. Most reptile vets are going to recommend baytril as their first choice. Most patients are willing to go that route because they don't have to do culture test's that cost more money. If the baytril doesn't work then a vet will recommend a culture to try and diagnose it better. Baytril is a mild antibiotic compared to some of the others out there that can harm the snake even more. Baytril is the most widely used antibotic on snakes by vets.

If you haven't been in this business long, you really shouldn't be commenting on the baytril. I see nothing wrong with anything that has to do with it.

From what I am getting out of this, is that the seller is willing to refund half of the purchase price. If I were the buyer in this case, I would take it and run. There are too many variables in this case that even include a third party who is apparently not willing to come here and speak.

Chalk it up as a learning lesson and move on. If I was the buyer here I would be mad if someone I trusted my life with who was a so called knowledgable snake person didn't examine the animal before accepting it. It only takes a couple of minutes to examine a snake that small, it's not like you were buying a 200 pound retic.

 

[j_h_smith]

I understand Stephanie but, the "friend I would trust my life with" card was thrown so I would just think, as a friend, he might have a few words to say is all.

You don't know Rick. Yes, I trust him with my life, but you will never get him to go online. He's pissed that his name is already a part of this discussion. He does not usually pick up a snake for anyone, but because of our friendship he did. I'm sorry that I put him in that position, but he's not going to get involved here on Fauna. I talked to the vets, they are making me a copy and I can pick it up on my way home from work. I will then have to scan it and post it as a picture.

Jim Smith

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Without the vet report being posted, how does anyone know the OP even took the snake to the vet? I have seen too many cases where the OP claimed to take the animal to the vet and it was just a lie. This would not be the first time that has happened and it wouldn't be the last. How does a person lose a vet report in such a short period of time, when he would think it would be asked for by someone as proof. If I was the seller, I would want to see it for sure. I have also seen where the buyer had some kind of a mishap that killed the snake and then tried to blame something on the seller so they could get their money back.

As for the baytril, it is not the issue here. How the seller got it, why he got it, who he got it from, what he uses it for, and so on are irrevelant. Most reptile vets are going to recommend baytril as their first choice. Most patients are willing to go that route because they don't have to do culture test's that cost more money. If the baytril doesn't work then a vet will recommend a culture to try and diagnose it better. Baytril is a mild antibiotic compared to some of the others out there that can harm the snake even more. Baytril is the most widely used antibotic on snakes by vets.

If you haven't been in this business long, you really shouldn't be commenting on the baytril. I see nothing wrong with anything that has to do with it.

From what I am getting out of this, is that the seller is willing to refund half of the purchase price. If I were the buyer in this case, I would take it and run. There are too many variables in this case that even include a third party who is apparently not willing to come here and speak.

Chalk it up as a learning lesson and move on. If I was the buyer here I would be mad if someone I trusted my life with who was a so called knowledgable snake person didn't examine the animal before accepting it. It only takes a couple of minutes to examine a snake that small, it's not like you were buying a 200 pound retic.

Brian, I am sure you would agree though that Baytril is used in different doses for different sized animals. What if the Baytril dosage was too large for a 1200gr python and could essentially kill the snake? Or, too small to be effective so its a needless waste?

I am sure the comment that "it doesnt matter" who, where, what, and why he was so easily able to provide the Baytril would offend some of the vets out there that went to school to prescribe this stuff. If its not OTC, then it is dispensing meds without a license even though most of us know how to use it what its used for.

 

[j_h_smith]

Without the vet report being posted, how does anyone know the OP even took the snake to the vet? I have seen too many cases where the OP claimed to take the animal to the vet and it was just a lie. This would not be the first time that has happened and it wouldn't be the last. How does a person lose a vet report in such a short period of time, when he would think it would be asked for by someone as proof. If I was the seller, I would want to see it for sure. I have also seen where the buyer had some kind of a mishap that killed the snake and then tried to blame something on the seller so they could get their money back.

I don't know how I lost it, but I did. Sorry for that. but I will be getting another after work today.

As for the baytril, it is not the issue here. How the seller got it, why he got it, who he got it from, what he uses it for, and so on are irrevelant. Most reptile vets are going to recommend baytril as their first choice. Most patients are willing to go that route because they don't have to do culture test's that cost more money. If the baytril doesn't work then a vet will recommend a culture to try and diagnose it better. Baytril is a mild antibiotic compared to some of the others out there that can harm the snake even more. Baytril is the most widely used antibotic on snakes by vets.

Not a part of my concern. Others here have made this to be a point of order, not me.

If you haven't been in this business long, you really shouldn't be commenting on the baytril. I see nothing wrong with anything that has to do with it.

From what I am getting out of this, is that the seller is willing to refund half of the purchase price. If I were the buyer in this case, I would take it and run. There are too many variables in this case that even include a third party who is apparently not willing to come here and speak.

Please read the entire thread, I posted here because I haven't gotten my money. Sure the seller has said he's goiing to pay me, but he has not. He's spending money on line and at show, but is not paying me the money that is due me.

Chalk it up as a learning lesson and move on. If I was the buyer here I would be mad if someone I trusted my life with who was a so called knowledgable snake person didn't examine the animal before accepting it. It only takes a couple of minutes to examine a snake that small, it's not like you were buying a 200 pound retic.

You can have that opinion. I am upset that Rick didn't look at the snake at the show, but he was busy. But I also had already paid for the snake prior to it being delivered to the show. So, what would have happened if Rick woould have refused the snake? I would still be out my money and a seller tha continues to spend without paying me?

Jim Smith

 

[dmflanders]

I Understand that sometimes a snake will experience problems and also that it is hard for these things are lousy for both parties. However, I have dealt with Paul and the last snake I bought from him rubbed her nose raw while awaiting shipment. Paul sent me pics and offered me a full refund or another snake (THE SNAKE WAS ALREADY PAID FOR). He offered me a 0.1 Granite burmese python in lieu of the nose rubbed green. The snake arrived alive and has proven to be one of my best exhibition snakes yet. I intend to continue to do business with Paul because of his Honesty and good business practices.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

You don't know Rick. Yes, I trust him with my life, but you will never get him to go online. He's pissed that his name is already a part of this discussion. He does not usually pick up a snake for anyone, but because of our friendship he did. I'm sorry that I put him in that position, but he's not going to get involved here on Fauna. I talked to the vets, they are making me a copy and I can pick it up on my way home from work. I will then have to scan it and post it as a picture.

Jim Smith

My concern is that, while I do believe that you did take the animal to the vet is, when the animal got sick. Was it in the week that you were unable to pick up the snake or was it before? Did your friend look in on your snake during this week and notice anything peculiar about its well-being. This is what I would like for him to comment on.

I also understand that he didnt like his name mentioned here either, as I wouldnt have. I just want to know if he saw anything wrong in the weeks time that he was in posession with your snake. Also, if you trust him with your life, is it also safe to assume that he didnt receive this animal as sick as it was and it just got worse with time?

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

Then thats Ricks fault for picking the snake up I mean NO DISRESPECT TO anyone at all But thats not much of a Friend to me I mean Rick could easly Sink or Sail this ship yet he dosent want to voice his opinion? To shed light to the situation Help other Herpers out I mean this is what he does for a living you would think he of all people would potential customers knowing what is up and to Help others from running into the same problem But hey thats just me I wouldnt want to be scammed ( IT BLOWS) nor would I want anyone else to be Scammed and If I could voice my side and it would help others I would as many of you have done

When your name is up there like Rick Ian G Ralph Davis and MANY MORE the Reptile World I belive holds you to a greater standard then others you came so far done so much It I belive comes natural that we look to them for answers and guidence and It looks like we may need Rick's Guidance on this to shine some light to this situation

Please Note that I stated NO DISRESPECT to anyone including but not limited to Rick as I dont know him personally nor have I meet or talked with him before (unless he was the Head Honcho's @ the Richmond Reptile Expo then maybe I have and not noticed and if so Sorry Rick)